What is your Official Current Handicap

[duncan mackie]

From the responsibilities of the Handicap Committee in the CONGU manual:

~7.5 Display in a prominent position at the club all alterations to Members’ Playing Handicaps immediately
they are made.

That would suggest to me that alterations become official when they are posted on the notice board. If the person processing cards has published to CDH/HDID then it's only a click of a button to print out the amendments and post them on the notice board.

Whilst I can see the logic in this I think it is slightly flawed - I don't have a access to a manual on this device to check an alternative line!

So the player turns up on Monday, has a handicap certificate printed by the club (for some reason) which shows 12.5, has a card preprinted for the competition which shows 13 and comes back in to record his results on a system that shows his handicap as 13.
An extremely out of date piece of paper on the wall shows him off 16 (say).

Are you happy that he is permitted to play off 16 because that was the last list printed (before the printer broke)? I suspect you aren't!

Fish confused things slightly with his initial post - but that's all been clarified now

IMO if the player has been advised by a system on behalf of the handicap authority that the competition is closed and he has gone from 12.4 to 12.5 then that is his handicap UNLESS he is aware of some reason that this may be in error (a bit like that mythical bank error that credits your account with millions - it's not yours! ).

Put another way, the player's handicap is a fact - having an out of date list up doesn't change that fact whether it's a day, month or year out of date.

 

[bladeplayer]

Whilst I can see the logic in this I think it is slightly flawed - I don't have a access to a manual on this device to check an alternative line!

So the player turns up on Monday, has a handicap certificate printed by the club (for some reason) which shows 12.5, has a card preprinted for the competition which shows 13 and comes back in to record his results on a system that shows his handicap as 13.
An extremely out of date piece of paper on the wall shows him off 16 (say).

Are you happy that he is permitted to play off 16 because that was the last list printed (before the printer broke)? I suspect you aren't!

Fish confused things slightly with his initial post - but that's all been clarified now

IMO if the player has been advised by a system on behalf of the handicap authority that the competition is closed and he has gone from 12.4 to 12.5 then that is his handicap UNLESS he is aware of some reason that this may be in error (a bit like that mythical bank error that credits your account with millions - it's not yours! ).

Put another way, the player's handicap is a fact - having an out of date list up doesn't change that fact whether it's a day, month or year out of date.

Just Curious tho Duncan If there is some problem at HDiD & the handicap shows incorrectly , will the Club or EGU except the handicap on there , i know over here if they wont , there is only 1 official website & that is Golfnet (GUI)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Just Curious tho Duncan If there is some problem at HDiD & the handicap shows incorrectly , will the Club or EGU except the handicap on there , i know over here if they wont , there is only 1 official website & that is Golfnet (GUI)

Over here the easiest way is for someone to check on the CDH - we all have a number and check our HC

Also people can check what there HC is on the terminal in the clubhouse

 

[louise_a]

Oh, agree Phil, and posted similar earlier in the thread, but it has been stated that the displayed master handicap list is the be all and end all so I was just playing devil's advocate and attempting a (small) joke.

 

[duncan mackie]

Just Curious tho Duncan If there is some problem at HDiD & the handicap shows incorrectly , will the Club or EGU except the handicap on there , i know over here if they wont , there is only 1 official website & that is Golfnet (GUI)

I tried to make clear that if the (any) system is showing an incorrect handicap for whatever reason that doesn't make it a valid handicap!

If a player is unsure then play of a safe (lower) handicap but obviously get it sorted out.

CDH is in the same situation - it just takes feeds from other systems and is additionally capable of linking the wrong person to the wrong record!

We are however getting further and further from the original post. The player played in an event, failed to make buffer and the results were published with a CSS. In addition the player was written to advising a handicap change. For whatever reason the master handicap sheet hadn't been reprinted and posted by the start of the new event on the Monday morning.
1. The player plays off 13
2. The handicap authority have failed in one of their responsibilities.

In this instance 2 doesn't change 1.

I like the comparison with S's cat, but the answer here is simply to open the box - it's not a quantum handicap.

 

[Matty]

what would happen if the OP had got a cut to his handicap then? Would you still go off the 'master' list or is the general consensus to always use the lower of the 2 to avoid a DQ?

Seems to me that the club in question need to sort the admin side of things out to resolve the issue for all concerned!

 

[Fish]

Fish confused things slightly with his initial post - but that's all been clarified now

 

[rosecott]

Whilst I can see the logic in this I think it is slightly flawed - I don't have a access to a manual on this device to check an alternative line!

So the player turns up on Monday, has a handicap certificate printed by the club (for some reason) which shows 12.5, has a card preprinted for the competition which shows 13 and comes back in to record his results on a system that shows his handicap as 13.
An extremely out of date piece of paper on the wall shows him off 16 (say).

Are you happy that he is permitted to play off 16 because that was the last list printed (before the printer broke)? I suspect you aren't!

Fish confused things slightly with his initial post - but that's all been clarified now

IMO if the player has been advised by a system on behalf of the handicap authority that the competition is closed and he has gone from 12.4 to 12.5 then that is his handicap UNLESS he is aware of some reason that this may be in error (a bit like that mythical bank error that credits your account with millions - it's not yours! ).

Put another way, the player's handicap is a fact - having an out of date list up doesn't change that fact whether it's a day, month or year out of date.

I'm not talking about a complete re-issue of the master handicap list every time there is a comp or something to change. We post a new master list on the first of each month. As comps are closed or new handicaps awarded, we post just these changes as they occur and the new master list published on the first of the next month will embrace all those interim changes. That doesn't seem to be too difficult or time-consuming.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We don't bother to post a master HC list as don't see the need for it

If someone wants to know the HC of someone then only need to check on the psi or on HDID or with the office or pro shop

That way the answer will be current as opposed to a list which could possibly out of date.

 

[Fyldewhite]

We don't bother to post a master HC list as don't see the need for it

If someone wants to know the HC of someone then only need to check on the psi or on HDID or with the office or pro shop

That way the answer will be current as opposed to a list which could possibly out of date.

We do the same, there's a computer in the bar and the porch where we sign in for comps (open at about 6 am when the cleaners arrive) that is always on. Handicap list and even your own handicap record (last 10 comps) is viewable so no need at all for paper.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We do the same, there's a computer in the bar and the porch where we sign in for comps (open at about 6 am when the cleaners arrive) that is always on. Handicap list and even your own handicap record (last 10 comps) is viewable so no need at all for paper.

Up here we don't have a computer to sign in on, only to enter scores when finished and we use MasterScoreboard to show results on the net. If the secretary is not in, the only way to check results/Handicaps is the master list reprinted after every comp.
Does my nut in, in that in this day and age we are so far behind the times.
Comp every sat and sun 50 weeks of the year and sometimes no results published until the Tues/Wed afterwards.

 

[Fish]

Up here we don't have a computer to sign in on, only to enter scores when finished and we use MasterScoreboard to show results on the net. If the secretary is not in, the only way to check results/Handicaps is the master list reprinted after every comp.
Does my nut in, in that in this day and age we are so far behind the times.
Comp every sat and sun 50 weeks of the year and sometimes no results published until the Tues/Wed afterwards.

Does yours still look like this :smirk:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Does yours still look like this :smirk:

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Not even that good😃

 

[Old Skier]

Anyone in England with a computer can check their handicap on the England Golf web site, providing the club enters Q comps when they occur. Just register on the EG site.

 

[2blue]

Up here we don't have a computer to sign in on, only to enter scores when finished and we use MasterScoreboard to show results on the net. If the secretary is not in, the only way to check results/Handicaps is the master list reprinted after every comp.
Does my nut in, in that in this day and age we are so far behind the times.
Comp every sat and sun 50 weeks of the year and sometimes no results published until the Tues/Wed afterwards.

We're the same Paul, though all that is to change shortly at Leeds Golf Centre the "Home of Modern Golf" ........ & can't happen quick enough for me, matey. :thup:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Anyone in England with a computer can check their handicap on the England Golf web site, providing the club enters Q comps when they occur. Just register on the EG site.

But as you've put, still only as accurate as at your club updating info!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But as you've put, still only as accurate as at your club updating info!

It is updated every time a competition is closed and indeed every time someone logs into club systems the question is asked to check for away scores and update CDH

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It is updated every time a competition is closed and indeed every time someone logs into club systems the question is asked to check for away scores and update CDH

So depends on when the club does this! As already put we sometimes wait 3-4 days.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So depends on when the club does this! As already put we sometimes wait 3-4 days.

Wait 3 or 4 days to close a comp ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Wait 3 or 4 days to close a comp ?

After weekend comps, more often than not, results are not published anywhere online until following wed/thurs, like many clubs, we depend on volunteers and when questioned why it takes 3-4 days, we are often answered, if you think you can do better, you volunteer to help out! Which can/cannot be a fair point.