What is going on in the UK?

[SocketRocket]

This issue was probably due to a mistake in applying correct policy at the store but it does not distract from the situation where a Muslim employee didn't want to handle pork or alcohol. This type of issue is becoming a growing problem in the 'Multi Cultural' society that was hoisted on us by the Political Elite. None of us were asked if we wanted to live in such a society, it was what they decided we needed.

Should it be acceptable for a Vegan to decide not to handle animal products in a Supermarket, a Christian Halal and so forth? These type of issues have never been a problem in the past so why now? I guess our enlightened members will say its a 'Storm in a tea cup' In my opinion (which I am sure I am no longer entitled to) its inverted discrimination.

Happy Holidays.

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Didn't read it as aggressive mate. I know you're posting style enough to know that you wouldn't do that. :thup:

Phew...cheers :thup:

 

[DAVEYBOY]

I'm not even getting involved in this one 😡

 

[User20205]

I'm not even getting involved in this one 😡

please do Davey, I remember you views were quite interesting last time a similar subject came up :thup:

I don't understand why people are upset. Unless you are at the front of the queue, and get refused service or the direct manager of the cashier, who would have to make allowance, why are you upset/offended ???

 

[bluewolf]

I don't understand why people are upset. Unless you are at the front of the queue, and get refused service or the direct manager of the cashier, who would have to make allowance, why are you upset/offended ???

Because we are a nation of the professionally offended mate. And if we can't find something to be offended by, then we'll have a damn good go at making something up...

 

[SocketRocket]

please do Davey, I remember you views were quite interesting last time a similar subject came up :thup:

I don't understand why people are upset. Unless you are at the front of the queue, and get refused service or the direct manager of the cashier, who would have to make allowance, why are you upset/offended ???

Theres a difference between being upset/offended and just fed up with stupidity creeping into society.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Theres a difference between being upset/offended and just fed up with stupidity creeping into society.

Agreed. It's the same with Health & safety. People lack common sense these days

 

[Blue in Munich]

Maybe they did question it? Maybe the manager said, don't worry if that happens let us know and we'll get someone else to serve them, so ask them to go to another till. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good old xenophobic, anti-Islamic media spouted BS article designed to inflame and create division.

And it isn't about offending her sensibilities. It's about respecting her beliefs. I'm an Atheist and personally think religion is outdated and unnecessary in today's world, but if someone else wants to believe in a flying spaghetti monster and refuse to serve pasta because their religious book decrees it, then so be it. I'll respect that and M&S rightfully do that, but in this instance they put her in a situation they shouldn't have and now you have this pointless story and straw man arguments popping up all over the place because a manager misinterpreted the policy. It's laughable.

If the employee believes so strongly that on religious grounds they shouldn't handle pork and alcohol, then how do they reconcile themselves with the fact that their wages are paid by a company that makes no small amount of profit from pork and alcohol, thus making the profits to pay the said employee. Or do beliefs conveniently go out of the window on payday?

I find it hard to believe that the employee couldn't sort the issue out behind closed doors with a manager that knows them they could raise the matter with complete strangers in full public view.

 

[JustOne]

M&S have changed their mind...

Customers at Marks and Spencer will not be refused alcohol or pork by Muslim staff after the store reacted to a massive backlash by customers.
Thousands of shoppers threatened to boycott the retailer after Marks and Spencer said it would allow Muslim staff to refuse to sell pork and alcohol because it was against their religious beliefs.
But now Marks and Spencer has apologised and said that Muslim staff who did not want to handle these products would not man tills and would work in other roles such as in clothing or in the bakery.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...4/MandS-apology-over-Muslim-staff-policy.html

 

[Big_Rick78]

So when a Christian tells them they cant work on a sunday as its their holy day will they be let off? I highly doubt it.

 

[palindromicbob]

This issue was probably due to a mistake in applying correct policy at the store but it does not distract from the situation where a Muslim employee didn't want to handle pork or alcohol. This type of issue is becoming a growing problem in the 'Multi Cultural' society that was hoisted on us by the Political Elite. None of us were asked if we wanted to live in such a society, it was what they decided we needed.

Should it be acceptable for a Vegan to decide not to handle animal products in a Supermarket, a Christian Halal and so forth? These type of issues have never been a problem in the past so why now? I guess our enlightened members will say its a 'Storm in a tea cup' In my opinion (which I am sure I am no longer entitled to) its inverted discrimination.

Happy Holidays.

Yes it should be acceptable for a Vegan to decide not to handle animal products. As long as they make this requirement clear prior to accepting the job and signing the contract.

I see no reason why a Christian would refuse to handle Halal on religious grounds. I could see them refusing to handle alcohol though (Free Presbyterian for example). Again if made clear prior to contract being agreed and signed.

This case they didn't need specifications in the contract because the policies and procedures in place at M&S would have covered this.

Then again if a company can not reasonably implement the requirements into a contract or policy then they should not be labelled as discriminatory.

This case forgets the countless who are deeply religious but not so fundamental as to refuse to handle the products although they will refuse to consume them.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes it should be acceptable for a Vegan to decide not to handle animal products. As long as they make this requirement clear prior to accepting the job and signing the contract.

I see no reason why a Christian would refuse to handle Halal on religious grounds. I could see them refusing to handle alcohol though (Free Presbyterian for example). Again if made clear prior to contract being agreed and signed.

This case they didn't need specifications in the contract because the policies and procedures in place at M&S would have covered this.

Then again if a company can not reasonably implement the requirements into a contract or policy then they should not be labelled as discriminatory.

This case forgets the countless who are deeply religious but not so fundamental as to refuse to handle the products although they will refuse to consume them.

Maybe to make sure no one is offended then it would be better to sack them all and have a robotic checkout system.

 

[garyinderry]

it should never have got that far. It should have been brought up before the shift started.

I know plenty that would have said, ''never worry my dear, ill run it through the scanner here, you bring it up with your manager in an hours time when you are on your break''.

Problem solved! :thup:

 

[palindromicbob]

Maybe to make sure no one is offended then it would be better to sack them all and have a robotic checkout system.

Ahh but even they refuse to sell you alcohol until a person comes along and confirms your age.

 

[SocketRocket]

Ahh but even they refuse to sell you alcohol until a person comes along and confirms your age.

So you need to take your Mum with you now?

 

[Durango]

Having thought about this for a few hours it would surely be simpler to just have a total ban on alcohol and pork produce in this country. Oh.. and no women outside in daylight hours.

Oops nearly forgot

 

[palindromicbob]

So you need to take your Mum with you now?

Nah, my fake ID works just fine.

 

[vkurup]

When the Saturday underage kids at the Morrisons till can't sell me my alcohol, they just get another colleague to run it thru. Have never been hassled by it., maybe they just do the same with anyone who can't serve these things.

 

[stevelev]

Maybe M&S will have 'No Alcohol, No Pork' tills. But what about chocolate liqueurs, bacon crisps, sherry trifle - indeed any food that includes alcohol or pork as an ingredient. This seems to me to be a re rather unconscionable demand that M&S have given in to in a bit of PC pandering. It's just daft - as most muslims will agree.

Or anything with Gelatin in, no jelly babies, not many sweets, no gum, bet the staff member has served that in the past

 

[JCW]

What can I say , PC gone mad ? If we are not careful we could have people just using this sort of thing to not do any work , every work place have guys doing their level best to do little or no work now ...................you should be told what you are expected to do and do it if not get find another job