What is going on in the UK?

[Birchy]

Meanwhile in an office in London The Daily Mail editor sits down in a comfy chair, lights up a cigar, pours himself a G&T and thinks to himself, my work here is done, people think that most Muslims are at best unhappy,at worst potential terrorists and they would all be better off living in somewhere like Pakistan. Mission accomplished....

Oh here we go, the Daily Mails number one enemy is here

Anybody who disagrees will be bored into submission so just throw the towel in, its a lot easier :rofl:

 

[Durango]

Hacker Khan- just out of interest, do you believe in the tooth fairy?...

 

[User20205]

Oh here we go, the Daily Mails number one enemy is here

Anybody who disagrees will be bored into submission so just throw the towel in, its a lot easier :rofl:

Not really, it's a non story blown up out of proportion to appeal to a pseudo right wing agenda. It's a misunderstanding, a mistake. It's not m&s policy and not typical of Muslims. It's an isolated case and doesn't deserve closer examination!

 

[Durango]

Not really, it's a non story blown up out of proportion to appeal to a pseudo right wing agenda. It's a misunderstanding, a mistake. It's not m&s policy and not typical of Muslims. It's an isolated case and doesn't deserve closer examination!

It's not a non-story therod though is it, it's part of a much bigger and more complicated story. Living in Dorset though you can be forgiven for having your eyes partially closed

 

[Hobbit]

"I'd like a job with M&S but I don't want work in certain areas of the store..." Since when did employees get allowed to be fussy? And before any of the PC boys jump up and down, it's got nowt to do with religious discrimination. If you take the job you should do ALL of the job, not twist your employer's arm up their back and tell them what you won't do.

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Not really, it's a non story blown up out of proportion to appeal to a pseudo right wing agenda. It's a misunderstanding, a mistake. It's not m&s policy and not typical of Muslims. It's an isolated case and doesn't deserve closer examination!

I'am sorry, but i don't believe it is a non story, because the policy shouldn't exist.
What would happen if all the employees born christian refused to work Sundays or Easter?
I don't think M&S would be so accommodating.
Without the policy the issue doesn't arise, and the DM don't get their headline.
If you can't see you don't drive for a living, if your pro-life you don't work for Marie Stopes and if you can't handle certain foods you don't work in a supermarket.
I know they could have worked in the clothing department, but the tills in the food hall are different, why didn't they raise the matter when being trained on said tills and why not raise the matter when they were asked to work on said tills?

 

[User20205]

It's not a non-story therod though is it, it's part of a much bigger and more complicated story. Living in Dorset though you can be forgiven for having your eyes partially closed

I think you have a point, Dorset is hardly a melting pot of racial tension if I lived in Bradford I may feel differently, however it doesn't mean you can't buy your frazzles in m&s anymore, or that all Muslims disapprove of your taste for special brew. That's why it's a non story, actions are extrapolated and prejudices realised based on a one off event.

 

[woody69]

I'am sorry, but i don't believe it is a non story, because the policy shouldn't exist.
What would happen if all the employees born christian refused to work Sundays or Easter?
I don't think M&S would be so accommodating.
Without the policy the issue doesn't arise, and the DM don't get their headline.
If you can't see you don't drive for a living, if your pro-life you don't work for Marie Stopes and if you can't handle certain foods you don't work in a supermarket.
I know they could have worked in the clothing department, but the tills in the food hall are different, why didn't they raise the matter when being trained on said tills and why not raise the matter when they were asked to work on said tills?

Well you think wrongly. This policy isn't anti-christian anymore than it is pro Islam.

 

[woody69]

"I'd like a job with M&S but I don't want work in certain areas of the store..." Since when did employees get allowed to be fussy? And before any of the PC boys jump up and down, it's got nowt to do with religious discrimination. If you take the job you should do ALL of the job, not twist your employer's arm up their back and tell them what you won't do.

M&S have the policy that allows their employees not to partake in activities within their job role that they don't want to do for personal or religious reasons, not the other way around. The employees aren't being "fussy" they are making use of a policy within their rights as laid out in their terms of contract.

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Well you think wrongly. This policy isn't anti-christian anymore than it is pro Islam.

But as of yet the matter asn't arisen.
I stand my assertion, if the policy doesn't exist then there is no problem.
You don't make an integrated society by highlighting peoples differencies.
Just my opinion. :thup:

 

[bluewolf]

But as of yet the matter asn't arisen.
I stand my assertion, if the policy doesn't exist then there is no problem.
You don't make an integrated society by highlighting peoples differencies.
Just my opinion. :thup:

it does help if you respect peoples differences though eh?

A total non story that is being pushed by a right wing agenda. I'm sure that both parties are embarrassed that it's gone so far.

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

it does help if you respect peoples differences though eh?

Are you saying i don't.?

This isn't about peoples differences, its about religion, any religion not race or disability, and it has no place in the modern work environment.

 

[woody69]

But as of yet the matter asn't arisen.
I stand my assertion, if the policy doesn't exist then there is no problem.
You don't make an integrated society by highlighting peoples differencies.
Just my opinion. :thup:

Perhaps it has arisen, but as it's not anti Muslim it's not deemed to be so newsworthy

 

[bluewolf]

Are you saying i don't.?

This isn't about peoples differences, its about religion, any religion not race or disability, and it has no place in the modern work environment.

I'm saying that M&S respected the difference, but that a media agenda is highlighting the difference. And that it's up to the company in question as to whether they choose to respect religion in the workplace. If they change their policy then the staff will have a decision to make. They don't have to make that decision yet though do they?

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Perhaps it has arisen, but as it's not anti Muslim it's not deemed to be so newsworthy

Perhaps, but like you i've never heard of an example, except for the BA employee who was forced to remove her crucifix, but that was a health and safety issue i believe.

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

I'm saying that M&S respected the difference, but that a media agenda is highlighting the difference. And that it's up to the company in question as to whether they choose to respect religion in the workplace. If they change their policy then the staff will have a decision to make. They don't have to make that decision yet though do they?

No they don't, and i appoligise for my aggresive tone. It wasn't intended that way.

 

[woody69]

Perhaps, but like you i've never heard of an example, except for the BA employee who was forced to remove her crucifix, but that was a health and safety issue i believe.

Well there was this story. Notice the slightly different slant on the article - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ork-Sundays-mounts-fresh-legal-challenge.html

And this is the crucifix story about H&S - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ifix-row-nurse-loses-discrimination-case.html

But here is a different one and the employer didn't respect her beliefs and she won - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21025332 I wonder if we had a load of people around the country saying some of the things that have been raised in this thread?

 

[bluewolf]

No they don't, and i appoligise for my aggresive tone. It wasn't intended that way.

Didn't read it as aggressive mate. I know you're posting style enough to know that you wouldn't do that. :thup:

 

[Hacker Khan]

Hacker Khan- just out of interest, do you believe in the tooth fairy?...

No, but I believe the vast majority of Muslims in this country are here to work and try and better themselves. And the constant scare stories by my favourite paper that paint Muslims as people who want Sharia law as the standard in the UK, hate preachers and potential, if not actual terrorists, is not doing the country much good.

I am sure that there are a very small number of Muslims who basically hate the west and want to do it harm, and to those I say bugger off then. Just as there are a very small proportion of white Britains who want a purely white British society. But I know they do not speak for me, as hate preachers do not speak for the vast majority of Muslims. Every Muslim I have come across is a decent hard working person, despite what certain papers would have you believe. And this constant attempt at inflaming the situation by certain sections of the media will only push more of them further against the west. Which will only end in tears.

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Well there was this story. Notice the slightly different slant on the article - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ork-Sundays-mounts-fresh-legal-challenge.html

And this is the crucifix story about H&S - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ifix-row-nurse-loses-discrimination-case.html

But here is a different one and the employer didn't respect her beliefs and she won - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21025332 I wonder if we had a load of people around the country saying some of the things that have been raised in this thread?

The problem is that a lot of people make the mistake of associating religion with race, hence some of the more extreme posts on this thread.
Thats the problem i have with these sorts of work place policies. All they do is fuel the fire of ignorence.
As you may have guessed, i'am totally anti religion of any sorts(except Bury FC of course), so i have trouble understanding why anyone would choose to work in an enviroment that would bring them into conflict with any beliefs they may hold, and when you get companies trying to accomodate these conflicts your bound to get trouble. You can't please everyone. The BA story is a prime example of this.
I work for a company were except for wedding bands, all jewelry is barred, end of, no exceptions. We also work shifts and again everyone must adhere to this policy. If its your turn to work Saturday or Sunday its your turn simples.
Basically, these are the rules, your beliefs are your buisness so please keep them at home, this is work.
I think we would all get on much better if this was the case everywhere.
Keep the workplace secular. :thup:
Should i get a t-shirt..:mmm: