What a shop.......

[HomerJSimpson]

I'm just debating with you homer ?! Why does this have to happen everytime ?! My post today was in response to Madadey and you then responded to me

If there was a demand for it then why hasn't it been built by one of the manufacturers who release countless equipment to milk us of our hard earned funds - there are practise facilities around the country and ones with plastic facilities

To build a short game area based on grass greens and grass tees is easy in a country where the weather is very responsive and are happy to water on a daily basis and have thousands of people daily going through the place - it's the US - it's always bigger because the demand is there. If you believe the demand is here in this country ( as well as the weather and the right place and price ) then one or maybe more will be built

Or will places like top golf and driving ranges be a lot more popular in this country due to weather and finances

Wokefield Park have grass green and short game area open all year. I think blaming cost and climate is an easy response. If a run of the mill place like Pachesham can have a dedicated pitching area up to 100 yards long, bunker and separate chipping and putting greens, then it would be possible to build it elsewhere. If it was a public facility I think people would come. There is demand for driving ranges and this is really just an extension of that. It's hard to debate though when you just take polar opposites and don't take or concede any valid points any other contributor on any thread and I don't want any complaints its you vs me on a topic.

 

[G1BB0]

chillax girlies

if they opened a range/shortgame complex round me I would use it regularly tbh or if a club had said facilities for what equated to a few extra quid per month for the priviledge then I would certainly be more tempted over a. n. other club

 

[nemicu]

Hands up who have had a short game playing lesson with their pro? On a golf course. With balls and everything.
That's what I thought.

 

[moogie]

The problem is, everybody thinks the price for fitting is too high -- and those who go to fitting centres think they can try everything at their expense. I've lost count of the number of golfers who turn up at high end fitting centres, have no idea what they want, expect to try every conceivable option - and walk away empty handed because they are either tyre-kicking time wasters or too tight to pony up the money for a truly custom fitted club.
What the OP failed to make clear is the expense that a fitting at TM in Vegas actually costs - coupled with an expensive shaft upgrade (in a record 10 swings?) I doubt you would be getting much change from $800.

He did say how much.....
$550 with an upgraded black tie shaft

 

[hovis]

I think the range looks just like the callaway centre in las vegas.

I also have the 430 12 degree sldr with that shaft in x stiff. Its a missile

 

[hovis]

How much are people paying in the UK? That cost me $550 (£330ish) including the fitting session and with the Black Tie shaft upgrade.

£360 to be exact

 

[Cherry13]

But the Roger Dunn golf stores are fantastic, all the kit, 4 flightscope bays that you can just use if they are empty, knowledgable PGA certified staff. Apart from the Taylormade experience, the best golf shop I have ever been in.

Yeh the golfsmith store had about 6 bays and then an indoor range as well, was cracking.

Are you living in california now,? We spent some time staying in huntington beach 2 years ago, golf courses around the area were a bit expensive tho.

 

[MadAdey]

£360 to be exact

to to be pedantic it actually cost me £337.07 as that is what I had to transfer to my American account to cover it, plus the £10 charge for making an international payment......

 

[MadAdey]

The problem is, everybody thinks the price for fitting is too high -- and those who go to fitting centres think they can try everything at their expense. I've lost count of the number of golfers who turn up at high end fitting centres, have no idea what they want, expect to try every conceivable option - and walk away empty handed because they are either tyre-kicking time wasters or too tight to pony up the money for a truly custom fitted club.

It was $50 dollars for the fitting, but they knocked it off the price of the club if you purchased it. You could try anything you wanted not the range, but you would not have someone there assisting you.

What the OP failed to make clear is the expense that a fitting at TM in Vegas actually costs - coupled with an expensive shaft upgrade (in a record 10 swings?) I doubt you would be getting much change from $800.

$550 was the price, like I have already said. Fitted in 10 swings, yes he had the shaft and head combo sorted in that. This is what happened. 2 swings with the 10.5 SLDR with the TP Speeder shaft. Changed over to the 430 due to it's lower spinning properties hit a few more with that. He wanted to change my draw to a fade so changed to the 12* head set it to 10.5* and set it towards the fade position. Was going really well and the first shot below the grey line was my last with the Speeder fitted. Then enter the Black Tie and straight away I gained 20 yards. When I say 10 swings that was to get me with the correct head, loft and shaft. Then we had a play around with the SLDR bar, the second to last hit was a toe ender that flew, but the last one was out the middle.

 

[Foxholer]

Anyone who went to the Callaway Kings of Distance would have experienced the 'fitted in 10 swings - or less' process! I certainly did!

Great price, (though was it 550 + 50) but that's US 'conditions' for you - huge market, higher sales, more competition => lower prices! It's normally a simple conversion of the $ to a £ to get price over here!!

 

[Fish]

You won't get a better short game area than Nailcote Hall, only 5 minutes from me, it holds the British Par 3 Championships every year, is constantly improving, although it really doesn't need any more improvements, and is £12 to play 18 holes.

A real test and great fun to boot :thup:

http://youtu.be/mkOEw4yuMN0

 

[MadAdey]

Anyone who went to the Callaway Kings of Distance would have experienced the 'fitted in 10 swings - or less' process! I certainly did!/QUOTE]
I think any fitter who is at the top of their game can fit you very quickly, I have just experienced it.

Great price, (though was it 550 + 50) but that's US 'conditions' for you - huge market, higher sales, more competition => lower prices! It's normally a simple conversion of the $ to a £ to get price over here!!

it was $550 for the driver, but I had to pay $50 for the fitting. When I paid for the driver they knocked off the $50 I had already paid to leave a balance of $500. So basically the fitting was free if I purchased the driver.

 

[Foxholer]

I think any fitter who is at the top of their game can fit you very quickly, I have just experienced it.

it was $550 for the driver, but I had to pay $50 for the fitting. When I paid for the driver they knocked off the $50 I had already paid to leave a balance of $500. So basically the fitting was free if I purchased the driver.

Thanks for that. That's the way it should work imo. Deters tyre-kickers and rewards the 'real' purchasers.

Fish probably has the best info on UK price for that combo! Pretty much straight $ to £ conversion as a 'headline' price is my guess!

 

[SVB]

Thanks for that. That's the way it should work imo. Deters tyre-kickers and rewards the 'real' purchasers.

That was essentially what happened with me with PING in UK - my club booked the session and absorbed the cost as I bought clubs following the fitting, had I not I would have had to pay the cost. Seems fair enough.

Back to the OP, I wonder if the relative price of land (in population dense areas of UK) has an impact on the lack of this type of facility in the UK.

Also, for a dedicated short game facility, I agree that price / bucket does not make sense, however I'd be happy to pay per hour though for something like this that is clearly head and shoulders above what all but very few clubs can offer - (back to swimming as a kid - "would all blue wrist bands please leave the pool now please!").


Simon.

 

[davidy233]

St Andrews Academy has a cracking short game area - £2.50 an hour I think, including several evil looking bunkers.

 

[Alex1975]

The problem is, everybody thinks the price for fitting is too high -- and those who go to fitting centres think they can try everything at their expense. I've lost count of the number of golfers who turn up at high end fitting centres, have no idea what they want, expect to try every conceivable option - and walk away empty handed because they are either tyre-kicking time wasters or too tight to pony up the money for a truly custom fitted club.
What the OP failed to make clear is the expense that a fitting at TM in Vegas actually costs - coupled with an expensive shaft upgrade (in a record 10 swings?) I doubt you would be getting much change from $800.

$550... and do you have to be so aggressive... seariosuly... take a chill pill, your often a knowledgeable guy but you always seem to feel the need to come off like you have to ram it down our necks...

 

[nemicu]

$550... and do you have to be so aggressive... seariosuly... take a chill pill, your often a knowledgeable guy but you always seem to feel the need to come off like you have to ram it down our necks...

Calm down love. I think you highlighted the point why there isn't that type of fitting centre in the UK - it's funded by the OEM. Meaning, if it were an independent business, then you can't make a profit out of a centre with that much stock, that many employees and still effectively give away your services for free.
It's no coincidence that TM centre is on the doorstep of high-rolling Vegas, but I'm willing to bet they don't turn over much net profit. Nor does any other OEM fitting centre - the bulk of their profits still come from off the shelf purchases. Which for 10 swings is effectively what you've done IMO.
Now off you go to play- there's a good boy.

 

[Foxholer]

... I think you highlighted the point why there isn't that type of fitting centre in the UK - it's funded by the OEM. Meaning, if it were an independent business, then you can't make a profit out of a centre with that much stock, that many employees and still effectively give away your services for free.
It's no coincidence that TM centre is on the doorstep of high-rolling Vegas, but I'm willing to bet they don't turn over much net profit. Nor does any other OEM fitting centre - the bulk of their profits still come from off the shelf purchases. Which for 10 swings is effectively what you've done IMO.
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There are actually the same sort of fitting centres in UK as there are in US. It's merely the number and scale/size of them that is missing!

 

[MadAdey]

Calm down love. I think you highlighted the point why there isn't that type of fitting centre in the UK - it's funded by the OEM. Meaning, if it were an independent business, then you can't make a profit out of a centre with that much stock, that many employees and still effectively give away your services for free.
It's no coincidence that TM centre is on the doorstep of high-rolling Vegas, but I'm willing to bet they don't turn over much net profit. Nor does any other OEM fitting centre - the bulk of their profits still come from off the shelf purchases. Which for 10 swings is effectively what you've done IMO.
Now off you go to play- there's a good boy.

Pick your teddies up little boy.......

 

[MadAdey]

It's no coincidence that TM centre is on the doorstep of high-rolling Vegas, but I'm willing to bet they don't turn over much net profit. Nor does any other OEM fitting centre - the bulk of their profits still come from off the shelf purchases. Which for 10 swings is effectively what you've done IMO.

why can't someone be fitted that quickly then? You said it is your opinion so would you like to expand on it. Because someone who walks round with a name badge on that says Taylormade master club fitter and use to work on the tour truck says you can do it Then I am going to believe him over you. The fact that he did more or less do it, just proved his claim.

When getting fitted I think there are 3 key factors to getting a fast effective fitting: a customer that has a reasonably repetitive swing, a good range of kit for you to try and someone who can interpret flightscope data correctly. If you have those 3 things then the fitting process will be quick.