VW cars

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The really serious thing about this is that it exemplifies corporate arrogance in it's dismissal and illegal circumvention of legislation as being an inconvenient barrier to increasing profit, and it's control (real and attempted) of government. Oh yes - the free market and global corporates - aren't they just marvellous - what would we do without them!

 

[Whereditgo]

Oh yes - the free market and global corporates - aren't they just marvellous - what would we do without them!

Probably the same as Greece! :thup:

 

[Foxholer]

The really serious thing about this is that it exemplifies corporate arrogance in it's dismissal and illegal circumvention of legislation as being an inconvenient barrier to increasing profit, and it's control (real and attempted) of government. Oh yes - the free market and global corporates - aren't they just marvellous - what would we do without them!

That's just total rubbish!

In fact, I believe such manipulation and deception is more likely to happen in Government controlled industries and where the market isn't actually 'free'!

 

[bladeplayer]

2.1 million Audi's have the software . just awaiting Skoda & Seat to come out ..

Then other franchises will be busy checking software updates etc

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That's just total rubbish!

In fact, I believe such manipulation and deception is more likely to happen in Government controlled industries and where the market isn't actually 'free'!

Like the financial services and banking industry - and in the UK don't we just love the power companies. In any case - I'm not sure that there are any government controlled industries left in the UK

 

[williamalex1]

Will the price of the cars involved be reduced ?. HID is in the process of buying an Audi, just wondering :smirk:.

 

[ManinBlack]

What I'd like to know is what will happen. OK, they recall the cars & remove the offending software. But what you've got then is a car which doesn't meet current emission standards & won't pass its next MOT. Do they then have to alter the engine management, add more filters or simply make sure the car runs as it did under test conditions? If the latter, the result is likely to be a decline in performance and/or deterioration in fuel consumption. This, in turn, will result in thousands of disgruntled customers, all of whom will have a claim for misrepresentation against VW. There will soon be more companies specialising in making claims against VW than there are PPI claims companies - in fact they'll probably be the same companies. This is going to run & run!

 

[williamalex1]

What I'd like to know is what will happen. OK, they recall the cars & remove the offending software. But what you've got then is a car which doesn't meet current emission standards & won't pass its next MOT. Do they then have to alter the engine management, add more filters or simply make sure the car runs as it did under test conditions? If the latter, the result is likely to be a decline in performance and/or deterioration in fuel consumption. This, in turn, will result in thousands of disgruntled customers, all of whom will have a claim for misrepresentation against VW. There will soon be more companies specialising in making claims against VW than there are PPI claims companies - in fact they'll probably be the same companies. This is going to run & run!

So should the garage HID is buying from declare any upcoming problems with the Audi they are selling her .Will it be within current emission levels when retested ?.

 

[ManinBlack]

So should the garage HID is buying from declare any upcoming problems with the Audi they are selling her .Will it be within current emission levels when retested ?.

I think the answer to that is that, at the moment, nobody knows.

 

[bladeplayer]

Havent heard anything from VW yet, keep in mind the regulations in US are a lot lower than Europe at the min m so European cars might not have same extent of problems..
At a meeting of one of our other franchises last yr the guy told us there are no diesel cars that can make the next regulations (Euro 6) its all going to be turbo petrol & electric etc ..

What can they do ? possibly a second cat converter or DPF defo will effect performance & fuel consumption im told ..
Will cars still fall in same low tax band ? possibly not , then car doesn't meet the spec it was sold under then more law suits ..

Tough times for VW but self inflicted for ones who set their partners standards so high ..

A brand built on trust that no longer can be trusted is in big bother .. IMO

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So should the garage HID is buying from declare any upcoming problems with the Audi they are selling her .Will it be within current emission levels when retested ?.

Well since VW are now saying some millions of Audis have the same software I'd certainly be asking.

 

[ManinBlack]

Interesting article here http://www.dieselcarmagazine.co.uk/features/euro-6-understanding-the-new-regulations/ about the problems caused by Euro 6. Personally, I think that diesel vehicles will become so complicated & prone to going wrong that there will be a severe decline in their use with people switching to cars with small, turbo charged, engines. I changed from a 1.9 turbo diesel to a 1.4 turbo petrol which gives almost the same performance, although, with the lower torque, you have to keep the revs high & drive it a bit like a formula 1. That's always been my driving style anyway, I'm a 68 year old boy racer!

 

[Beezerk]

Listening to the "experts" on the radio yesterday I'm still confused how they're going to fix this.
Yes it's a software re-flash, but are they going to try and get general driving conditions to match the rigged test results or just get rid of the dodgy test mode which fiddles the figures? Not one guy on the radio yesterday gave a straight answer.

 

[Hobbit]

Bearing in mind company car tax is a calculation based on the value of the car and its emissions. I'm very interested to see how this pans out. In theory, HMRC could come after me for 7yrs worth of underpayment.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Listening to the "experts" on the radio yesterday I'm still confused how they're going to fix this.
Yes it's a software re-flash, but are they going to try and get general driving conditions to match the rigged test results or just get rid of the dodgy test mode which fiddles the figures? Not one guy on the radio yesterday gave a straight answer.

I'm guessing that all they will be able to do is get rid of the software fiddle so that the test shows the actual emissions. I'm wondering how many owners of affected vehicles care more about the environmental impact their car has and will continue to have than the will care about the subsequent additional cost of owning it. Because vw won't be able to do much if anything about the actual emissions but would be able to compensate owners - or maybe give money back. Wonder how many will take the money and keep the car.

Interesting to see what transpires and if other manufacturers have been doing same thing because if vw engineers can't produce a compliant engine giving performance they need to compete then why would we expect any of their competitors to be able to build one

 

[ManinBlack]

As I see it one of two situations will exist. 1. The software will be capable of being altered to meet emissions standards. This will inevitably give rise to an increase in fuel consumption & a class action by owners would oblige VW to compensate every owner who bought one of the rigged vehicles. 2. The cars can't be fixed to bring emissions within the standard. In this case it is possible that an amnesty could be given to all drivers who unknowingly bought the non complying vehicles, along with the levying of an astronomical fine against VW for knackering the environment. All this would do is to add to the huge number of earlier manufactured vehicles that don't have to comply with the new standards. What's the alternative? Fail every VW at the next MOT? Force VW to fit new engines to all affected vehicles? It will be interesting to see how this unfolds but, whatever happens, the cost could finish VW and force it to be taken over by another company.

 

[bladeplayer]

Dealers are going to be told what recall repairs have to be done in the next few days seemingly..

 

[bladeplayer]

Just got handed the paperwork , alota reading alota paperwork for me ,every cloud means alota work for the dealership

 

[Slime]

Bearing in mind company car tax is a calculation based on the value of the car and its emissions. I'm very interested to see how this pans out. In theory, HMRC could come after me for 7yrs worth of underpayment.

I think it more likely that HMRC will calculate all tax underpayments and sue VW for that whilst leaving individuals alone.

Slime.

 

[MarkA]

I suspect, if it means consumers have to pay more, it will come from the 5 billion VW have put aside.
I doubt Joe Public will have to pay it.

You are being very naive if you don't think VAG won't put their prices up and if diesel testing costs and the cost to meet emission controls increase then all manufacturers will, so basically the public will pay in the long run. Be interesting to see what the Govt does about current VAG owners cars not meeting their stated emissions!