Votesfor prisoners

[chrisd]

It appears that 5 years ago the European Court of Human Rights told the British Government to allow prisoners to have the right to vote. They are now having to bring in these measures or face paying the usual "compo" if they don't

Question - will you be happy to see Ian Huntley dont at your village hall putting his X on the ballot paper?


Chris

 

[Imurg]

I believe they retain the right to disqualify "lifers" from voting. And I can't see them letting anyone who's not in an open prison out to vote.
Personally, I don't think its right to let them vote. Breaking the law and going to prison is not compulsory, you don't have to do it, you should lose all but the basic Human Rights - being kept alive, not being maltreated etc etc.
It is after all a punishment - isn't it?

 

[viscount17]

By what measure is a vote a human right, it's the same as a passport - you have an entitlement but not a right to one, it can be withdrawn or refused. Prisoners should have no right to vote until they have completed their sentence.

It also begs the question; France is famed for ignoring EU dictats when they want, do they pay any 'compo' or do they ignore that too? good on them if they do.

 

[Parmo]

Nice to see Cameron avoiding his pre election promises on the HRA...

How many more lies is this fella going to spew out, its bad enough sharing the armed forces with France but Cameron seem intent on ruining whats left.

 

[znuffzz]

How many more lies is this fella going to spew out, its bad enough sharing the armed forces with France but Cameron seem intent on ruining whats left.

a move forced by the reckless spending of a previous administration lets not forget.

in any case i would rather see ourselves aligned as a senior partner with a geograpgic neighbour than be constantly holding our ankles in front of good old uncle sam.

 

[BROOKIE]

Cameron & clegg,along with johnson,funnier than the three
amigos,not an idea between the tw**s

 

[brendy]

Funny thing is, human rights only apply to those in the wrong..

 

[robbest3offthetee]

I would love to see ian huntley down the village hall voting then(i could take his f*****in head off)....

 

[chrisd]

Yup.... the world has finally gone mad!!!




Chris

 

[Imurg]

Nah!
Its been there a loooooong time Buddy!!

 

[19th]

So Maggie locks up all the striking miners the day before the election and deprives them of their right to vote?

This is OK?

Our prisons are full of people who are there so that 'society' can see what awaits them if they, say, benefit cheat ("how dare you not report to us that you, single mum, had someone living with you for a two week period in the last three years!" "It started as a one nighter, sir" "No excuse have her sent down") - no vote.

Meantime the child molester, you know the one, he is misunderstood, a loner, the teacher shouted at him in school AND a bus he was on backfired and he got a scare, well .... he retains his freedom, has lots of help from the powers that be and GETS TO VOTE!

WHAT!

 

[chrisd]

So Maggie locks up all the striking miners the day before the election and deprives them of their right to vote?

This is OK?

Our prisons are full of people who are there so that 'society' can see what awaits them if they, say, benefit cheat ("how dare you not report to us that you, single mum, had someone living with you for a two week period in the last three years!" "It started as a one nighter, sir" "No excuse have her sent down") - no vote.

Meantime the child molester, you know the one, he is misunderstood, a loner, the teacher shouted at him in school AND a bus he was on backfired and he got a scare, well .... he retains his freedom, has lots of help from the powers that be and GETS TO VOTE!

WHAT!

And your point is??

Chris

 

[viscount17]

So Maggie locks up all the striking miners the day before the election and deprives them of their right to vote?

This is OK?

Our prisons are full of people who are there so that 'society' can see what awaits them if they, say, benefit cheat ("how dare you not report to us that you, single mum, had someone living with you for a two week period in the last three years!" "It started as a one nighter, sir" "No excuse have her sent down") - no vote.

Meantime the child molester, you know the one, he is misunderstood, a loner, the teacher shouted at him in school AND a bus he was on backfired and he got a scare, well .... he retains his freedom, has lots of help from the powers that be and GETS TO VOTE!

WHAT!

And your point is??

Chris

I guess he thinks life ain't fair - reality check, no-one said it would be

 

[Tommo21]

I really don’t care, I care more about a 10 year sentence that only means 5.

 

[Imurg]

Like this lass today. Gets "life" for attempted murder and will serve a minimum 15 years - hold on, should that read a minimum rest of your days? Bloody right it should. Regardless of who it was or the reasoning behind it she should be inside to the end. And no bloody vote either!!

 

[19th]

So Maggie locks up all the striking miners the day before the election and deprives them of their right to vote?

This is OK?

Our prisons are full of people who are there so that 'society' can see what awaits them if they, say, benefit cheat ("how dare you not report to us that you, single mum, had someone living with you for a two week period in the last three years!" "It started as a one nighter, sir" "No excuse have her sent down") - no vote.

Meantime the child molester, you know the one, he is misunderstood, a loner, the teacher shouted at him in school AND a bus he was on backfired and he got a scare, well .... he retains his freedom, has lots of help from the powers that be and GETS TO VOTE!

WHAT!

And your point is??

Chris

I guess he thinks life ain't fair - reality check, no-one said it would be

Sorry Chris I should have spelt it out for you ... of course prisoners must get the vote as all in prison are not bad no more than all, not locked up, are good! The first area of my offering related to potential political usage of prison to deprive voters of their right - it does happen in other countries. I doubt Ian Huntly's vote will create a majority for the 'pro-murderer' party.

If I explained my personal circumstances you would perhaps appreciate that I, of all posters on here, am only too aware that life is unfair and yes, I agree, nobody said it would be fair!

If other clarification required I will happily address.

 

[chrisd]

Sorry Chris I should have spelt it out for you ... of course prisoners must get the vote as all in prison are not bad no more than all, not locked up, are good! The first area of my offering related to potential political usage of prison to deprive voters of their right - it does happen in other countries. I doubt Ian Huntly's vote will create a majority for the 'pro-murderer' party.

If I explained my personal circumstances you would perhaps appreciate that I, of all posters on here, am only too aware that life is unfair and yes, I agree, nobody said it would be fair!

If other clarification required I will happily address.

I am sorry 19th but I can't see your point on this one. You say that not all people in prison are bad - well you dont generally go there if your not bad. Bad can be a wide range of things but if you end up in prison it's done to take your liberty away and many of us feel that, at that point, your human rights should be limited to the very basics and by that I mean - voting isn't a right it's a privilage and that's one thing being imprisoned loses you. No, not everyone who's not in prison are good, but if the do wrong hopefully they will be caught and lets face it life is not fair, never has been and never will be.In fact, fairness, is only as we individually see it anyway.

I understand your point about locking up political opponents but it is not applicable in this country.

So, I stand by my original view, prisoners should not get the vote or for that matter mobile phones, playstations, Sky sports, better food than dished up to hospital patients, 50% off their tariff or the right to claim compensation. What next will they get holiday pay!

Rant over!


Chris

 

[19th]

"- voting isn't a right it's a privilage and that's one thing being imprisoned loses you"

We will just have to agree to disagree Chris!

I feel the vote for ALL has been a hard fought RIGHT.

Enjoyed your Rant

 

[chrisd]

"- voting isn't a right it's a privilage and that's one thing being imprisoned loses you"

We will just have to agree to disagree Chris!

I feel the vote for ALL has been a hard fought RIGHT.

I still disagree 19th - if had been a "right" then it wouldn't have taken a half baked bunch of dozy tw**s in Europe to tell our Government in 2005 that they had to give prisoners the opportunity to vote, they would have been able to vote anyway -so - by definition, it is not a "right".

It is also a fact that the Acts of Parliament relating to voting, prohibits prisoners, the insane, Members of the House of Lords and some other categories from voting.


Chris