Foxholer
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Er....Wrong!
Get your facts right, or you'll be sent to the Headmaster for '6 of the best'! :rofl:
Smack or not?
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Er....Wrong!
Get your facts right, or you'll be sent to the Headmaster for '6 of the best'! :rofl:
Cane and slipper was definitely OTT. I had it occasionally, twice, and definitely don't respect the teachers who used it when they could have reasoned with an adolescent. Oh, and on one of those occasions it wasn't even me - totally crap teacher who appeared to relish using the cane indiscriminately.
Parents who need to use physical discipline beyond the age a kid can reason sensibly need a parenting skills course, if its not too late. And to be fair, most parents wing parenting based on their own experiences growing up and a few comic manuals.
Bringing in a law for this won't work, as per persistent drink drivers. But it will fill the Care Homes with kids who've been removed from half decent parents.
Khamelion
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Okay so it's the United Nations and I never got sent to the headmaster, I never fancied get the belt across my hand.
Hacker Khan
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I suppose it depends what the law is trying to do. No law will or does prevent any crime being committed. But since 1979 there has been a 6 fold decrease in the number of deaths by drink driving, plus it much less socially accepted. Yes of course it has not stopped the hard core drink driver, much as this proposal will not stop the hard core child beaters. But it may well make smacking/hitting a child less sociably acceptable and reduce the number of kids that are being hit. Which can not be a bad thing can it?
Khamelion
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I believe that there is already a law that covers smacking a child, that covers actual physical harm to the child where the result of the smack leads to bruising, swelling, scratches etc...
What the United Nations want is a complete ban.
Anyone who smacks a child and leaves a mark could be punished if reported under the current law, for common assault, GBH or ABH
Foxholer
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Can you point those statistics out?
When quoting decreases, stating decrease factor on these sort of stats is rarely valid - though stating percentage decrease is! Slightly different when talking about the likes of 'success rates' for things like re-offending or cancer treatments - where it's actually the marginal 'stat' that is the important one.
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cleanstrike
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If my mam told me to do something I should be doing or to stop doing something I shouldn't be doing then I would do what she said because I knew darn well what I'd get if I didn't. This is the way it should be ... ad infinitum.
User20205
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I don't smack my kids, I never will. They make me angry, and at times I've felt like it, but I haven't.
I'd never stand in judgement over someone that did, but how do you stop a smack becoming something more sinister except with legislation.
I'm totally against anyone else, teacher, copper etc having the power to do it also.
My kids aren't angels but they know right from wrong without the threat of physical discipline.
I'd never stand in judgement over someone that did, but how do you stop a smack becoming something more sinister except with legislation.
I'm totally against anyone else, teacher, copper etc having the power to do it also.
My kids aren't angels but they know right from wrong without the threat of physical discipline.
Just remembered; the local bobby gave me a clip for being in school uniform and having my shirt tail out. I am traumatised, hate going out and I'm terrified of the Police. There must be a claim in it...
freddielong
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Is there a situation between two adults were one can smack the other because they were wrong or did something the other disagreed with were it is ok.
Pin-seeker
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Legally or morally?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
HomerJSimpson
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Totally agree.
freddielong
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Either and remember it's to be done in such a way to stun or shock the other into compliance
hovis
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What do you think would be the better outcome of this.
You get caught steeling a car in the UK . You get caught and punished in the way of an afternoon in prison plus court fee's.
You move to spain and the police catch you steeling a car. They dont arrest you they just kick the living daylights out of you. In what country would you re offend in??
I'd go to prison every day. When you go to spain you don't mess with the "powlice" because them crazy buggers mean business.
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Tashyboy
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Smacking was/is a small piece of what being a parent was/is all about. Along with teaching manners, right and wrong. I don't know of a friend who smacked there children and gained any satisfaction from it.
when we adopted our youngest, we were asked by the birth mother if we would smack our adoptive daughter. The fact that her birth daughter spent her first Christmas and new year in hospital because she had been physically beaten up within two weeks of being born was lost on her. I did feel like smacking someone at that point though.
There is a marked difference between a smack and physical violence. For the record our social worker said tell the Birth mother that "she would be treated exactly the same way as our other two kids". Read into that what you like.
not to sure I am happy with an European court or any court telling me what I can and cannot do to bring up my kids and I don't just mean smacking. Yup I did on occasions smack my kids, but as I get older the thought of smacking my grandson fills me with dread. Maybe being on the verge of being a fossil makes you look at things in a different way.
when we adopted our youngest, we were asked by the birth mother if we would smack our adoptive daughter. The fact that her birth daughter spent her first Christmas and new year in hospital because she had been physically beaten up within two weeks of being born was lost on her. I did feel like smacking someone at that point though.
There is a marked difference between a smack and physical violence. For the record our social worker said tell the Birth mother that "she would be treated exactly the same way as our other two kids". Read into that what you like.
not to sure I am happy with an European court or any court telling me what I can and cannot do to bring up my kids and I don't just mean smacking. Yup I did on occasions smack my kids, but as I get older the thought of smacking my grandson fills me with dread. Maybe being on the verge of being a fossil makes you look at things in a different way.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Are any of those examples actual facts or just exaggerations based on hearsay to back up a point of view?
hovis
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A few years back bbc followed a group of ex offenders to see how they dealt with rehabilitation. This guy moved to spain and said "i cant brake the law here because they'll kill me before they'll fill in the paper work"
Funny story and at the extreme end but what i got from that is, if the consequences out weigh the action then most people think twice
Tashyboy
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Thing is hovis, I have always said that the punishment should be part of the deterrent. On that basis does smacking a child become an acceptable deterrent ?
stevelev
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More people are going down the route of crystal meth nowadays, Smack is so noughties
