Verdict on the budget?

[Big Whacker]

Our country IS full.

Our services ARE stretched.

English live in England not Romanians or Albanians. We can take in the original EU migrants, France and the like, but not 3rd world dossers.

It doesn't help when MP's help themselves to expenses they're not entitled too.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What makes us different is that we have better welfare than many countries and migrants see us a a promised land where you get a house, job, benefits, health care, education etc. Thats true but not if we take in unlimited numbers in such a short timeframe. Migrants from Syria need to be given shelter, food, warmth, healthcare and education but they wont get that if they are left to move aimlessly around Europe trying to cherry pick where they would like to live. The current mess is a grim reflection on the EU and UN being unable to deal with such situations.

Suggesting that the UK just open our borders and let anyone from anywhere walk in and expect a western lifestyle is naive and stupid. Please try to explain the logistics of managing your suggestions rather than suggesting that we all need to expect our life styles to be different! That type of comment is unbelievably simplistic.

As simplistic as thinking it is OK to just as stand aside and watch our neighbours on the European mainland struggle to cope with a massive influx - saying that it is not our problem - and then expect to be able to negotiate favourable access to the single EU market.

And we have no more 'right' to a continuance of our comfortable lifestyle than any of our neighbours in Germany, France, Netherlands - who are going to have to adapt and change to accommodate the influx to Europe. What makes you think that we are different, that we deserve different, that we can continue as we have whilst all around us is in flux and changing. What gives us the right to deny our part in giving those fleeing chaos, war and persecution a half decent life. Is it because we are British?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Our country IS full. I'm not sure about that at all. Plenty of room.

Our services ARE stretched.Services reflect investment. We can build more services. You could easily argue they are stretched to to inappropriate use, rather than quantum of population

English live in England not Romanians or Albanians. We can take in the original EU migrants, France and the like, but not 3rd world dossers. How very selective of you. Where do you draw your line?

It doesn't help when MP's help themselves to expenses they're not entitled too.Wrong place for this rant I think, you were doing so well focusing on immigration.

Added my comments to the above

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As simplistic as thinking it is OK to just as stand aside and watch our neighbours on the European mainland struggle to cope with a massive influx - saying that it is not our problem - and then expect to be able to negotiate favourable access to the single EU market.

And we have no more 'right' to a continuance of our comfortable lifestyle than any of our neighbours in Germany, France, Netherlands - who are going to have to adapt and change to accommodate the influx to Europe. What makes you think that we are different, that we deserve different, that we can continue as we have whilst all around us is in flux and changing. What gives us the right to deny our part in giving those fleeing chaos, war and persecution a half decent life. Is it because we are British?

We do let people in from war torn areas but why should we let "everyone" in ?

They have travelled through multiple European countries so why didn't they settle there - they are no longer in the war torn area and are safe.

We will and have done taken our fair share.

 

[Pin-seeker]

We do let people in from war torn areas but why should we let "everyone" in ?

They have travelled through multiple European countries so why didn't they settle there - they are no longer in the war torn area and are safe.

We will and have done taken our fair share.

Spot on,they prefer to come here because we are the easy touch.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

We do let people in from war torn areas but why should we let "everyone" in ?

They have travelled through multiple European countries so why didn't they settle there - they are no longer in the war torn area and are safe.

We will and have done taken our fair share.

We have done nothing of the sort and have no plans to increase our intake significantly - and the mass migration into Europe has only started. Too many in UK in denial that we will have to take many hundreds of thousands more in the next 5-10yrs and we will, because we will not be able to not to. That is uncomfortable prospect but I suspect that is probably how things will pan out. The idea that millions will migrate into Europe and UK will take 20,000 over the coming 5 yrs is fanciful and deluded.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We have done nothing of the sort

Are you suggesting we haven't taken immigrants from Syria into the country ?

and have no plans to increase our intake significantly - and the mass migration into Europe has only started.

Why would we increase when we committee to take in a certain amount ?

Too many in UK in denial that we will have to take many hundreds of thousands more in the next 5-10yrs and we will, because we will not be able to not to.

Eh ? Don't understand that statement ?

That is uncomfortable prospect but I suspect that is probably how things will pan out. The idea that millions will migrate into Europe and UK will take 20,000 over the coming 5 yrs is fanciful and deluded.

We will take in the amount the country decide is enough so that it doesn't have a negative affect on the country and its residents.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Are you suggesting we haven't taken immigrants from Syria into the country ?



Why would we increase when we committee to take in a certain amount ?



Eh ? Don't understand that statement ?



We will take in the amount the country decide is enough so that it doesn't have a negative affect on the country and its residents.

All very nice idea but deluded I fear. I admit to feeling uncomfortable with the thought that my lifestyle will most likely have to change to accommodate the numbers that we will have to take in - but I just cannot see an outUK being able to stand aside and tell the rEU - sorry - nothing to do with us - it's all your problem. We might think we'll be able to do that - but morally, practically and economically (if an out UK wants free access to the single market) I just don't think we will be able to.

Anyway - this nothing to do with the budget - other than the budget shambles has undermined the authority, competence and decision making of Osborne and Cameron - and Remain need strong Tory proponents of Remaining.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So all those refugees in Calais are qualified doctors and teachers ?

No, not all of them.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No, not all of them.

...and I doubt that all of those from overseas providing care to us in our hospitals and care homes are degree level or professionals of the sort a points system would admit,

 

[Deleted member 15344]

All very nice idea but deluded I fear. I admit to feeling uncomfortable with the thought that my lifestyle will most likely have to change to accommodate the numbers that we will have to take in - but I just cannot see an outUK being able to stand aside and tell the rEU - sorry - nothing to do with us - it's all your problem. We might think we'll be able to do that - but morally, practically and economically (if an out UK wants free access to the single market) I just don't think we will be able to.

rEU ? OutUK ? Why are you talking about referendum - is it a personal hobby to create this little labels to put onto groups ?

It's not just an idea - we are taking in immigrants from Syria - it's already happening for goodness sake. Asylum Seekers have already arrived in the UK and being looked after - we will have a certain amount arriving into our country - that's not new news.

When did anyone say that we will say it's not our problem ? Do you have some preconceived argument already formed that you are just trotting out ignoring what people

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No, not all of them.

But are they the only ones you would take then ?

I would expect very minimal if any are qualified doctors and teachers

 

[ColchesterFC]

...and I doubt that all of those from overseas providing care to us in our hospitals and care homes are degree level or professionals of the sort a points system would admit,

Probably not but isn't that the point of having managed immigration. Rather than let everyone in we look at what skill sets we require and target those people. If this year we need doctors, nurses and carers they get priority. Next year we might need different professions so we target them instead.

 

[Big Whacker]

My rant on MP's is on topic as this thread is about the budget and where money goes.

We could take immigrants in who genuinely seek asylum but we are full of dossers who, through EU rules, have legally arrived and filled the spaces of the needy.

This country is knackered (Mod Edit)and is only heading further into self destruction over the next decade or 2.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

But are they the only ones you would take then ?

I would expect very minimal if any are qualified doctors and teachers

What do you base your comment on?
I believe no one has a scoobie how qualified any of the refugee's are.
It naturally suits the agenda of the minimal thinkers that they are all 'dossers'.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What do you base your comment on?
I believe no one has a scoobie how qualified any of the refugee's are.
It naturally suits the agenda of the minimal thinkers that they are all 'dossers'.

I base it on what you posted when someone said the asylum seekers at Calais can go to Scotland and you said ok you need doctors and teachers - so I guessed by that comment you knew how qualified they are ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I base it on what you posted when someone said the asylum seekers at Calais can go to Scotland and you said ok you need doctors and teachers - so I guessed by that comment you knew how qualified they are ?

:lol:

 

[SocketRocket]

As simplistic as thinking it is OK to just as stand aside and watch our neighbours on the European mainland struggle to cope with a massive influx - saying that it is not our problem - and then expect to be able to negotiate favourable access to the single EU market.

And we have no more 'right' to a continuance of our comfortable lifestyle than any of our neighbours in Germany, France, Netherlands - who are going to have to adapt and change to accommodate the influx to Europe. What makes you think that we are different, that we deserve different, that we can continue as we have whilst all around us is in flux and changing. What gives us the right to deny our part in giving those fleeing chaos, war and persecution a half decent life. Is it because we are British?

I asked how you consider the logistics would work to create suitable lifestyles for open door immigration. You seem to have dodged answering that question in favour of wishy washy sound bites.

Do you honestly believe the countries of the EU will all start taking in unlimited numbers of migrants. Countries like Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia etc wont take part in such a scheme, Germany, Sweden and France are near the point of saying ' Thats enough'.

It's not just about looking after the unfortunate either, you mention that our lives will need to change but what exactly does that mean. I suspect that it would mean a big change in our culture and lifestyles as Muslims will not be prepared to change theirs, they will have an agenda of islamification in Europe and the threats you currently see taking place throughout the middle east will emerge here. IMO war is a very serious threat in Europe over the next 30 years and the type of war wont be like WW2 it will be like you currently see in Syria and Iran.

 

[SocketRocket]

:lol:

It's no good posting a silly smiley. Reply to his valid point on your previous statement.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

:lol:

I'm guessing you don't have an answer ?