Verdict on the budget?

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SocketRocket said:
I asked how you consider the logistics would work to create suitable lifestyles for open door immigration. You seem to have dodged answering that question in favour of wishy washy sound bites.

Do you honestly believe the countries of the EU will all start taking in unlimited numbers of migrants. Countries like Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia etc wont take part in such a scheme, Germany, Sweden and France are near the point of saying ' Thats enough.
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Totally agree with point 1, too many sound bites without any substance and no answers to question, often repeated.

Para 2; a lot of people seem to forget that once the immigrants have papers they can go where ever they like within the EU. Germany et al may well take in x amount but where will they go once they have papers.

Joined up thinking required from the EU countries, as when one country accepts x amount they are actually accepting them into all the countries, not just their own.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Not upset just wondering why you are avoiding the questions that's all.
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Which of your many questions was that?

I said that the refugees were welcome to Scotland. {Because for historical reasons our country is under populated].
I mentioned that rural Scotland was short of teachers and doctors.

Now I am certain that many of those refugees are teachers and doctors as well as engineers, mechanics, scientists, musicians.
Not forgetting journalists.....my god we need some of those in Scotland.

I may have implied that perhaps the people who do not like 'people who are not like us' may describe all refugees as 'dossers'.
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
Which of your many questions was that?

I said that the refugees were welcome to Scotland. {Because for historical reasons our country is under populated].
I mentioned that rural Scotland was short of teachers and doctors.

Now I am certain that many of those refugees are teachers and doctors as well as engineers, mechanics, scientists, musicians.
Not forgetting journalists.....my god we need some of those in Scotland.

I may have implied that perhaps the people who do not like 'people who are not like us' may describe all refugees as 'dossers'.
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Please, just the honest ones!
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Which of your many questions was that?

I said that the refugees were welcome to Scotland. {Because for historical reasons our country is under populated].
I mentioned that rural Scotland was short of teachers and doctors.

Now I am certain that many of those refugees are teachers and doctors as well as engineers, mechanics, scientists, musicians.
Not forgetting journalists.....my god we need some of those in Scotland.

I may have implied that perhaps the people who do not like 'people who are not like us' may describe all refugees as 'dossers'.
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I have no idea about "dossers" etc

But how can you be so certain many of them are what you suggest. Whilst a lot of them are resourceful a good majority of them not what you suggest - in fact I would be amazed if there was one qualified doctor amongst them or scientist etc - harsh maybe but that doesn't make them dossers
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But how can you be so certain many of them are what you suggest. Whilst a lot of them are resourceful a good majority of them not what you suggest - in fact I would be amazed if there was one qualified doctor amongst them or scientist etc - harsh maybe but that doesn't make them dossers
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I'd be amazed if there wasn't.
 
seems to me that the budget is - if not meaningless - goning that way. Forecasts that are immediately shown to be dodgy by independent analysts and statements that aren't what going to happen - but what might happen if nobody makes a fuss.
 
Hacker Khan said:
If we are in a position where people are playing politics with the lives of disabled people then it goes to show what a scum sucking morally repugnant society at have ended up with.

And as for the immigration 'we're too full' argument can't we just keep that to 18 threads, does it really have to take over this one?
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Yup, the tories are playing politics with the lives of disabled people. If you are in favour of brexit then IDS is a courageous moral campaigner for the disabled. If you are against he is a conniving weasel. Well done everybody :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35854735
 
And as far as the budget is concerned. We now have a £4.4bn hole in the budget finances - well we don't yet because a £4.4bn reduction in welfare spending is still there - and has to be fulled somehow. And so how is Osbo going to do that without changing something else like his tax giveaway? It's a shambles.

And IDS eventually cannot stomach a targeted measure such as this - most others over last few years being broad-brush. And that's it - he cannot do another compromise and eventually the reality of Osbo's 'strivers and shirkers' obnoxious mantra - supported and trumpeted by the right wing press becomes made real. And IDS sees those obnoxious divisive words as being the antithesis of 'we are all in it together' - but the truth is out that the Tory government is ideologically driven, uncaring, lacking in compassion and only really bothered about 'those like us' and driving towards their ideological goals regardless.

And unfortunately there are many in the 'those like us' camp who would have not been discomfitted one little when Osbo made the PIP cut announcement in the budget statement.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And as far as the budget is concerned. We now have a £4.4bn hole in the budget finances - well we don't yet because a £4.4bn reduction in welfare spending is still there - and has to be fulled somehow. And so how is Osbo going to do that without changing something else like his tax giveaway? It's a shambles.

And IDS eventually cannot stomach a targeted measure such as this - most others over last few years being broad-brush. And that's it - he cannot do another compromise and eventually the reality of Osbo's 'strivers and shirkers' obnoxious mantra - supported and trumpeted by the right wing press becomes made real. And IDS sees those obnoxious divisive words as being the antithesis of 'we are all in it together' - but the truth is out that the Tory government is ideologically driven, uncaring, lacking in compassion and only really bothered about 'those like us' and driving towards their ideological goals regardless.

And unfortunately there are many in the 'those like us' camp who would have not been discomfitted one little when Osbo made the PIP cut announcement in the budget statement.
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A shambles is a mild understatement. We had the budget with pasty tax, which was overturned. Then we had the budget with tax credits that was also bounced. And now we have the budget with PiP's, which has also been overturned. Any company with a Financial Director the screwed up 3 times would be looking for a new FD.

I do hope this has also screwed his PM ambitions. The guy is a liability.
 
Hobbit said:
A shambles is a mild understatement. We had the budget with pasty tax, which was overturned. Then we had the budget with tax credits that was also bounced. And now we have the budget with PiP's, which has also been overturned. Any company with a Financial Director the screwed up 3 times would be looking for a new FD.

I do hope this has also screwed his PM ambitions. The guy is a liability.
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And first they pretend that the cut in PIP wasn't actually finalised - if so why the heck was it in the budget? And now it's not going to be implemented. Just like that. Dropped as soon as they realise it's not going down too well - leaving a £4.4bn hole in the finances, What sort of planned and objective-driven sort of budgeting is that?

It would be funny if he wasn't the blessed Chancellor. He in whom we entrust the financial management of the country - supported in full by his close buddy our dear leader - the Prime Minister. Our dear leader being equally culpable and guilty of betraying his professed Christian principles (which he neatly seems to consider irrelevant to his decision making in respect of the poorest and most vulnerable of our society) and guilty of the mess through association. Pity I need him to be making a positive and trusted case for staying in the EU. Oh holy moly.
 
So Osbo's budget becomes a fudget, where a £4.4bn black hole us filled from public spending - no idea from where - just 'public spending' - so if he could have found £4.4bn from general public spending why did he feel it necessary to target a specific group of society - and one of the most vulnerable. But he did. And then miraculously he 'saw the light' and realised he'd got it wrong. What a load of utter fudgery.
 
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