Verdict on the budget?

[virtuocity]

What a world we live in.

Our disabled get their benefits cut, and people start to mention those who misuse blue badges.

As the 5th richest economy in the world, we refuse entry to those who live in squalor in the Calais jungle, and people call them leachers.

Those in the South West are more likely to get treated by Richard Branson's GPs than our own NHS's and people complain about Junior doctor strikes.

To those who voted Conservative and continue to do so, I envy you- you clearly have never been in need.

 

[chippa1909]

What a world we live in.

Our disabled get their benefits cut, and people start to mention those who misuse blue badges.

As the 5th richest economy in the world, we refuse entry to those who live in squalor in the Calais jungle, and people call them leachers.

Those in the South West are more likely to get treated by Richard Branson's GPs than our own NHS's and people complain about Junior doctor strikes.

To those who voted Conservative and continue to do so, I envy you- you clearly have never been in need.

Yes. A selfish, greedy party.

 

[SocketRocket]

What a world we live in.

Our disabled get their benefits cut, and people start to mention those who misuse blue badges.

As the 5th richest economy in the world, we refuse entry to those who live in squalor in the Calais jungle, and people call them leachers.

Those in the South West are more likely to get treated by Richard Branson's GPs than our own NHS's and people complain about Junior doctor strikes.

To those who voted Conservative and continue to do so, I envy you- you clearly have never been in need.

Do you really suggest we open our borders to anyone that manages to make their way to Calais. Can you not see what a pull factor that would create.

Please explain how this should work?

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes. A selfish, greedy party.

He's not talking about the Party, He's talking about the population, or more likely the English population as Scots would never be so crass

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes. A selfish, greedy party.

and Ian Duncan Smith's resignation letter suggests that he realises that as well - all in it together? - complete tosh. Need for the UK to have a surplus by 2019/20 at any costs? - rubbish - just politics not economics. And that's a cabinet minister speaking. Someone who knows what thinking is going on behind the facade. Compassionate, caring conservatives? Well maybe not as much as they like to portray.

 

[chippa1909]

He's not talking about the Party, He's talking about the population, or more likely the English population as Scots would never be so crass

Sorry, my bad.
I should have said a selfish, greedy party, and the people who vote for it and endorse its policies.

 

[SocketRocket]

and Ian Duncan Smith's resignation letter suggests that he realises that as well - all in it together? - complete tosh. Need for the UK to have a surplus by 2019/20 at any costs? - rubbish - just politics not economics. And that's a cabinet minisiter speaking. Someone who knows what thinking is going on behind the facade.

I think you will find that his main complaint is connected to how he can make the required cuts in his budget more than disagreement with policy.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Do you really suggest we open our borders to anyone that manages to make their way to Calais. Can you not see what a pull factor that would create.

Please explain how this should work?

Only a significant pull factor if the UK was the only country acting in that way - which we will never be.

 

[chippa1909]

and Ian Duncan Smith's resignation letter suggests that he realises that as well - all in it together? - complete tosh. Need for the UK to have a surplus by 2019/20 at any costs? - rubbish - just politics not economics. And that's a cabinet minister speaking. Someone who knows what thinking is going on behind the facade. Compassionate, caring conservatives? Well maybe not as much as they like to portray.

You really think IDS has gained a conscience suddenly? Or is it more about undermining Cameron and Gideon?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Sorry, my bad.
I should have said a selfish, greedy party, and the people who vote for it and endorse its policies.

...and a good few here would unfortunately have agreed with the plans to cut PIP and celebrated getting a cut in their income tax. Aye - all in it together. And we who oppose these things are derided as being naive, and to suggest that voting Tory displays less compassion to others - well we who took that line in the lead up to the last GE were dismissed as not understanding how caring and compassionate conservatives are. Well IDS decides not.

 

[SocketRocket]

Only a significant pull factor if the UK was the only country acting in that way - which we will never be.

Do you really think so? There are only a few countries they are interested in entering, I doubt if Sweden is one either, neither is France. I would suggest they only go there because they can, the UK and Germany are the main countries of interest to migrants.

So, I ask again, do you think we should open our borders to all that get to Calais?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You really think IDS has gained a conscience suddenly? Or is it more about undermining Cameron and Gideon?

I think he has taken things as far as his conscience allowed him. And eventually he found that what he was told he was having to do was just not the right thing to do. And it is of course handy timing giving he'd be dumped if we stayed in EU and so best for him to free himself from the cabinet ot campaign for Brexit. But I think he probably has a core decency largely hidden from us that got him, and I'd like to think that his strong religious convictions told him 'no more';

 

[virtuocity]

I think he has taken things as far as his conscience allowed him. And eventually he found that what he was told he was having to do was just not the right thing to do.

:rofl:

Nothing to do with the fact he wants to leave the sinking ship and dump the Universal Credit scandal on Osborne?

 

[virtuocity]

Do you really suggest we open our borders to anyone that manages to make their way to Calais. Can you not see what a pull factor that would create.

Please explain how this should work?

Bring them all in.

If you don't want refugees, don't start wars.

 

[Jimaroid]

IDS is bailing before the universal credit fiasco hits and getting himself into a comfy position with his Brexit loving lizard pals. Nothing to do with morals, it's opportunistic politics.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Do you really think so? There are only a few countries they are interested in entering, I doubt if Sweden is one either, neither is France. I would suggest they only go there because they can, the UK and Germany are the main countries of interest to migrants.

So, I ask again, do you think we should open our borders to all that get to Calais?

I have said before that I think we are all going to have to rethink our comfortable lives as I cannot see measures preventing many hundred of thousands - possibly millions - heading for Europe to escape the misery and hell of their homes countries. And if that happens I do not believe that we - whether in the EU or out - can stand aside as our neighbours on mainland Europe struggle and evolve to accommodate and integrate all coming our way.

Do I want my comfortable life in the UK to change? No. Do I think that it is going to have to? Yes. In the late 90s an aspect of my job was to consider what would be the great threats to Western European security and how we could counter them. One of the major threats was mass migration to Europe (the most likely source being at the time felt to be from China). Defence strategy experts could find no solution. And so it has come to pass.

 

[virtuocity]

IDS is bailing before the universal credit fiasco hits and getting himself into a comfy position with his Brexit loving lizard pals. Nothing to do with morals, it's opportunistic politics.

Very this.

 

[SocketRocket]

Bring them all in.

If you don't want refugees, don't start wars.

And here was me thinking the war they were fleeing from was that one between their own Government, Anti Government rebels and Islamic State. When exactly did we start this war in Syria.

"Let them all in" Now theres a well thought out policy. So we let in a million, four, six million, more maybe. Now, please tell me how we deal with these people. Do we build some massive camps, do we put tents up in the Highlands and Dartmoor, do we give them medical care, educate the children? Come on, tell us how we do it rather than make such blind idealogical statements!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And here was me thinking the war they were fleeing from was that one between their own Government, Anti Government rebels and Islamic State. When exactly did we start this war in Syria.

"Let them all in" Now theres a well thought out policy. So we let in a million, four, six million, more maybe. Now, please tell me how we deal with these people. Do we build some massive camps, do we put tents up in the Highlands and Dartmoor, do we give them medical care, educate the children? Come on, tell us how we do it rather than make such blind idealogical statements!

How about - Yes. Our comfortable life is I suspect going to have to change. What would you do? Stand aside and watch millions of immigrants/refugees pile up the other side of the channel. What makes us different or special? What makes our comfortable lifestyle more precious than that of the Germans, the French, the Dutch? And as we stand aside outside the EU watching this and refusing to help we will be looking for advantageous access to the EU open market. That would seem to be the strategy and ideology many Brexiteers would like to adopt.

 

[chippa1909]

Tory mahem. Delicious and thoroughly deserved.

Now if Labour would stop abstaining and vote with the SNP........