Verdict on the budget?

[SocketRocket]

How about - Yes. Our comfortable life is I suspect going to have to change. What would you do? Stand aside and watch millions of immigrants/refugees pile up the other side of the channel. What makes us different or special? What makes our comfortable lifestyle more precious than that of the Germans, the French, the Dutch? And as we stand aside outside the EU watching this and refusing to help we will be looking for advantageous access to the EU open market. That would seem to be the strategy and ideology many Brexiteers would like to adopt.

What makes us different is that we have better welfare than many countries and migrants see us a a promised land where you get a house, job, benefits, health care, education etc. Thats true but not if we take in unlimited numbers in such a short timeframe. Migrants from Syria need to be given shelter, food, warmth, healthcare and education but they wont get that if they are left to move aimlessly around Europe trying to cherry pick where they would like to live. The current mess is a grim reflection on the EU and UN being unable to deal with such situations.

Suggesting that the UK just open our borders and let anyone from anywhere walk in and expect a western lifestyle is naive and stupid. Please try to explain the logistics of managing your suggestions rather than suggesting that we all need to expect our life styles to be different! That type of comment is unbelievably simplistic.

 

[Hobbit]

How about - Yes. Our comfortable life is I suspect going to have to change. What would you do? Stand aside and watch millions of immigrants/refugees pile up the other side of the channel. What makes us different or special? What makes our comfortable lifestyle more precious than that of the Germans, the French, the Dutch? And as we stand aside outside the EU watching this and refusing to help we will be looking for advantageous access to the EU open market. That would seem to be the strategy and ideology many Brexiteers would like to adopt.

Change to what?

An even more stretched NHS because of an increasing population and no money to build more hospitals. An even greater dearth of social housing. A poorer education for our children because class size limits are increased and classes disrupted by the lack of English spoken by the refugees.

Where is the money to pay for this? Where is the political will for this? We may be the 5th wealthiest economy in the world but that wealth doesn't reside with 90% of the population where the taxes would have to come from to pay for it.

there was an article a few years back about the number of minimum wage jobs, and how jobs that weren't minimum wage now are. Bringing cheap labour into this country has lowered the standard of living of so many people who were already on a relatively low wage.

Living in in the leafy suburbs and saying take them in as a salve to our good Christian beliefs is a genuinely great ambition, but where is the money and the will for this? Don't get me wrong, if we were building more hospitals, houses and schools I'd say let them in. But not only are we not doing those things, there sadly isn't the will to do them.

 

[Del_Boy]

I'd happily taken a 3% rise in income tax if it went to the right places like the DLA or PIP. That said, I did read an article that said how flawed the mechanism is for DLA. For example, a certain amount of money is paid out based on needs. If various aids are placed in the home to satisfy some of those needs, the allowance wasn't reduced. Don't know how true that is, and to be honest I don't begrudge a penny they get.

I wouldn't take another 3% rise feel I already contribute enough. Received final details of my bonus Friday when it gets paid 50% of it straight into the countries coffers. Thought I'd take the Mrs out yesterday, for what we paid 20% straight into the countries coffers. The country is collecting almost £700billion each year if 70million people can't live on that we are well and truly up some creek without a paddle.

 

[chrisd]

Change to what?

An even more stretched NHS because of an increasing population and no money to build more hospitals. An even greater dearth of social housing. A poorer education for our children because class size limits are increased and classes disrupted by the lack of English spoken by the refugees.

Where is the money to pay for this? Where is the political will for this? We may be the 5th wealthiest economy in the world but that wealth doesn't reside with 90% of the population where the taxes would have to come from to pay for it.

there was an article a few years back about the number of minimum wage jobs, and how jobs that weren't minimum wage now are. Bringing cheap labour into this country has lowered the standard of living of so many people who were already on a relatively low wage.

Living in in the leafy suburbs and saying take them in as a salve to our good Christian beliefs is a genuinely great ambition, but where is the money and the will for this? Don't get me wrong, if we were building more hospitals, houses and schools I'd say let them in. But not only are we not doing those things, there sadly isn't the will to do them.

We are in need of the services BECAUSE we let them in. We have 6,000 houses being built on a new development in the town where I live. I understand that will mean approximately 10,000 more people, there are to be 3 new schools, doctors surgery, dentists, shops, jobs etc etc - if you allow 1m people in to the country how many services do we need to add to cope ? Even if they all work the whole thing is self perpetuating.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Tory mahem. Delicious and thoroughly deserved.

Now if Labour would stop abstaining and vote with the SNP........

Corbyn choosing not to support the SLAB conference is 'interesting'.
Perhaps he is starting to realise Miliband's tactical error.

 

[Hacker Khan]

If we are in a position where people are playing politics with the lives of disabled people then it goes to show what a scum sucking morally repugnant society at have ended up with.

And as for the immigration 'we're too full' argument can't we just keep that to 18 threads, does it really have to take over this one?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Has someone really suggested that we just allow anyone to enter ?

What exactly would that achieve

Where would they live ?

What would they live on ?

Who will fund them ?

 

[virtuocity]

I suggested that we let everyone from Calais into Britain. Now.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I suggested that we let everyone from Calais into Britain. Now.

And where would they go exactly ?

 

[Del_Boy]

And where would they go exactly ?

Put up taxes so we can build a load of new houses for 'em.

 

[chellie]

And where would they go exactly ?

Scotland

 

[Hobbit]

Scotland

Ssshhh! There's enough migrants up here...

 

[FairwayDodger]

The country isn't full, not even close. The south east is pretty crowded - people want to go there because that is where most of the jobs and wealth are. Both immigrants and British people are drawn to London, in many cases quite reluctantly. Government policies are needed to better distribute wealth, good jobs and opportunity nationwide; the population will follow.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The country isn't full, not even close. The south east is pretty crowded - people want to go there because that is where most of the jobs and wealth are. Both immigrants and British people are drawn to London, in many cases quite reluctantly. Government policies are needed to better distribute wealth, good jobs and opportunity nationwide; the population will follow.

The problem is the services are stretching to the limit as it is -the space maybe there

How would the government get companies to create jobs outside the London area ?

 

[FairwayDodger]

How would the government get companies to create jobs outside the London area ?

They'd need to get creative but it could be done if there was the political will. If we persist with capitalism it will inevitably happen eventually when the SE really is full but perhaps if some government took the initiative it could happen while also preserving quality of life for those in the crowded areas.

 

[Hacker Khan]

What a world we live in.

Our disabled get their benefits cut, and people start to mention those who misuse blue badges.

As the 5th richest economy in the world, we refuse entry to those who live in squalor in the Calais jungle, and people call them leachers.

Those in the South West are more likely to get treated by Richard Branson's GPs than our own NHS's and people complain about Junior doctor strikes.

To those who voted Conservative and continue to do so, I envy you- you clearly have never been in need.

Post of the week there sir, well played.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They'd need to get creative but it could be done if there was the political will. If we persist with capitalism it will inevitably happen eventually when the SE really is full but perhaps if some government took the initiative it could happen while also preserving quality of life for those in the crowded areas.

Maybe that's what the current government are trying with the Northern Hub and HS3 ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Scotland

They would be very welcome, we have a shortage of teachers and doctors in the rural areas.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They would be very welcome, we have a shortage of teachers and doctors in the rural areas.

So all those refugees in Calais are qualified doctors and teachers ?

 

[SocketRocket]

Post of the week there sir, well played.

Your week maybe but not mine.