UKIP a change on the political horizon or not.

[Ethan]

The more UKIP policies are publicised, the more people will realise that many of them are very thin or completely bonkers. UKIP seem to imagine a Britain set sometimes in the 50s and most of the supporters don't know what they stand for beyond a vague notion that the UK shouldn't be controlled by Brussels (which it isn't) or the country overrun by immigrants (also which it isn't).

Best case scenario (for them), after the next election they will have a number of seats somewhere in the range of Sinn Fein (5) and the Democratic Unionist Party (8). They will make a lot of noise but will still essentially be an irrelevance and many of those who vote for them at by elections will go back to the main parties at the general.

 

[Khamelion]

Come election time next year, all the various census takers will be publishing their polls prior to the main event and I have no doubt that many if not all will show that UKIP have made major in roads into taking seats away from Labour and the Tories.

But...

When it comes down to putting pen to paper and putting you cross in the box, the vast majority of the voting public will vote for one of the traditional two, why? Because people are scared of change and UKIP is a set into the unknown.

Sometimes it's better the devil you know...

 

[Yerman]

UKIP or SNP will continue to thrive as long as politicians continue to put their own spln on these results and show no signs of addressing working peoples concerns. Having the two Eds or the Eton boys in charge is going to impress no-one.

 

[Hacker Khan]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...oters-who-are-fed-up-and-stupid-2014101091618

 

[SocketRocket]

UKIP provide a valuable service to the hard of thinking. They give them an excuse, some one to blame for the problems in their lives. By blaming all their problems on immigration and the EU people are absolved of responsibility for their own short-comings. It's marvelous

You can't blame thick people for voting for them. If I was too stupid to acknowledge that we need immigration to provide a work-force in our aging population, and too thick to see the irony in campaigning for "Better Together" while wanting isolation from our biggest markets on the continent, I too would vote UKIP. Thankfully I have a 3 figure IQ, so I don't need to.

Sorry for being a bit (maybe quite a bit) thick but wont these immigrants get older and add to the ageing population. In that case will we need to have an exponential increase of immigrants to meet your suggested work force requirements? Now! If the population increases at this rate will there be an exponential growth of jobs, houses and public services available for them.

Just asking!

 

[SocketRocket]

So just to clarify:

59.66% of voters in Clacton and 38.7% of voters in Heywood and Middleton are too thick to have the vote. Maybe they should have the vote taken away from them if they are that stupid and get taken in so easy by DM rubbish.

How about force feeding them the Guardian and sending them on a labour awareness course. Guess I am starting to sound a bit single (or simple) minded now. :blah:

 

[Hacker Khan]

So just to clarify:

59.66% of voters in Clacton and 38.7% of voters in Heywood and Middleton are too thick to have the vote. Maybe they should have the vote taken away from them if they are that stupid and get taken in so easy by DM rubbish.

How about force feeding them the Guardian and sending them on a labour awareness course. Guess I am starting to sound a bit single (or simple) minded now. :blah:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...rties-it-attributes-to-cannabis-2014100991555

 

[SocketRocket]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...rties-it-attributes-to-cannabis-2014100991555

Could be worse. They could be listening to Des O'Connor CD's.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Thankfully when it comes down to the real gritty choice next year UKIP will amongst the also rans imo - if that high

 

[SocketRocket]

Thankfully when it comes down to the real gritty choice next year UKIP will amongst the also rans imo - if that high

Time will tell. IMO unless the major parties address the issues that a large and growing number of voters are concerned about then UKIP will do very well. These issues are Immigration and the EU and anyone who thinks they're not are being naive.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Time will tell. IMO unless the major parties address the issues that a large and growing number of voters are concerned about then UKIP will do very well. These issues are Immigration and the EU and anyone who thinks they are not are being naive.

I agree they are an issue. But how much of this is due to the fact that they are major factors influencing peoples day to day existence. Or they are being hyped up with sometimes ridiculous scare stories by some forms of the media and by some political parties in order to forward their particular questionable agenda without thinking of the long term social and economic consequences, is another question. But then again who am I to say it's questionable...

 

[SocketRocket]

I agree they are an issue. But how much of this is due to the fact that they are major factors influencing peoples day to day existence. Or they are being hyped up with sometimes ridiculous scare stories by some forms of the media and by some political parties in order to forward their particular questionable agenda without thinking of the long term social and economic consequences, is another question. But then again who am I to say it's questionable...

Maybe, but just maybe they are not the influencers but the rally point these people are looking for and cannot find them anywhere else. No matter what you or I say a growing number of the public are not happy with the rate of cultural change they have seen in the UK and are looking for a way to register their protest. Calling them stupid and easily influenced by newspapers is missing the point and disingenuous to a large number of the population.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Or possibly people are voting against the main parties because of mistakes they have made in the past

It's impossible to tell unless each voter is asked - could easily be protest votes as opposed to voting against a rise in cultural existence in the UK ( I prefer to call it the country just evolving )

It would be interesting to see who will do the jobs that a lot of foreign workers are willing to do - seems they don't mind getting their hands dirty to earn their way in life.

Also believe it costs £6bn to be part of EU yet earns the UK double that and leaving the EU would create boundaries and issues for companies - also interesting is the lack of detail or depth in UKIP's policies

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

It would be interesting to see who will do the jobs that a lot of foreign workers are willing to do - seems they don't mind getting their hands dirty to earn their way in life.

Here's a radical idea........ Why not get British people to do them instead of sitting at home claiming benefits?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Here's a radical idea........ Why not get British people to do them instead of sitting at home claiming benefits?

The jobs are there for British people to do

Car washing is a perfect example

Foreign nationals working day and night to get a business up and running - why didn't a UK national think of it ? Because for a lot it's too much like hard work

I believe finding a way to curb the benefit culture is needed but I would still prefer someone who actually wants to do the job and will work hard as opposed to someone going through the motions to get benefit money

 

[SocketRocket]

Or possibly people are voting against the main parties because of mistakes they have made in the past

It's impossible to tell unless each voter is asked - could easily be protest votes as opposed to voting against a rise in cultural existence in the UK ( I prefer to call it the country just evolving )

It would be interesting to see who will do the jobs that a lot of foreign workers are willing to do - seems they don't mind getting their hands dirty to earn their way in life.

Also believe it costs £6bn to be part of EU yet earns the UK double that and leaving the EU would create boundaries and issues for companies - also interesting is the lack of detail or depth in UKIP's policies

Phil, to suggest a very large number of people are not concerned with immigration and the EU is being naive. Even if it is a protest vote then it is a protest about something and that something is what I just mentioned IMO.

Regarding the finances of EU membership and the effect on business you are looking at this in a slightly blinkered way. Are you suggesting we would earn nothing from Europe if we left the EU? If we did leave there are a number of trading groups we could join and looking at a commonwealth group would be a great opportunity, we could also get a free trade agreement with the EU at a much reduced cost and without the amount of interference on our ability to decide our own destiny. The EU is currently a failing power and from what I can see has a very rocky path ahead of it, we would be much better away.

 

[MadAdey]

It is worrying that someone like UKIP could gain more and more seats from certain areas of the country. Where I lived was full of immigrants and the local people are getting fed up with the trouble that they have brought with them. Areas of a little rural market that people will not walk through at night due to the immigrants hanging around. They stand in the street openly selling drugs to kids and I have witnessed this first hand.

I would not give my vote to them, but while people feel strongly against immigration they stand a chane of getting more and more seats.

 

[Tashyboy]

Here's a radical idea........ Why not get British people to do them instead of sitting at home claiming benefits?

Now drive for show, you are a bad man for saying what many people are thinking, and that I think is why a lot of people vote UKIP or can relate to UKIPs policies however shallow they may seem.

 

[SocketRocket]

The jobs are there for British people to do

Car washing is a perfect example

Foreign nationals working day and night to get a business up and running - why didn't a UK national think of it ? Because for a lot it's too much like hard work

I believe finding a way to curb the benefit culture is needed but I would still prefer someone who actually wants to do the job and will work hard as opposed to someone going through the motions to get benefit money

If they never got the benefits they would probably prefer to work hard. Why do you think eastern Europeans want to be here, if they were offered similar benefits at home to what our people get here they would stay there.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, to suggest a very large number of people are not concerned with immigration and the EU is being naive. Even if it is a protest vote then it is a protest about something and that something is what I just mentioned IMO.

Regarding the finances of EU membership and the effect on business you are looking at this in a slightly blinkered way. Are you suggesting we would earn nothing from Europe if we left the EU? If we did leave there are a number of trading groups we could join and looking at a commonwealth group would be a great opportunity, we could also get a free trade agreement with the EU at a much reduced cost and without the amount of interference on our ability to decide our own destiny. The EU is currently a failing power and from what I can see has a very rocky path ahead of it, we would be much better away.

I wasn't suggesting anything apart from pointing out that you can't know why people have recently voted UKIP

Yes we could join other European Trade Groups - believe we have already discussed the main other one

But I do like the idea you have formed about leaving the EU then asking them for free trade agreement ( which we have being in the EU ) for cheaper - it seems such a flawless a wonderful plan Im sure you can point out the other countries jumping at the chance right now