two rules decisions required

[Heidi]

hello all!
hope the season is being kind to you
What are your thoughts?

Player A tees off, ball is in rough, takes a few minutes but the player thinks the titleist they find is theirs and hits it to the green. on the way to the green their partner finds a shiny new titleist and pockets it. player A marks his ball on the green but notices that there are two dots on it, and they haven't drawn them on, cos it was a shiny new one just out the packet on the tee. The ball in their playing partners pocket is indeed their ball...

back to the tee with a two stroke penalty for playing the wrong ball and now playing 4?

thanks! it happened tonight and they didn't know what to do!

 

[palindromicbob]

hello all!
hope the season is being kind to you
What are your thoughts?

Player A tees off, ball is in rough, takes a few minutes but the player thinks the titleist they find is theirs and hits it to the green. on the way to the green their partner finds a shiny new titleist and pockets it. player A marks his ball on the green but notices that there are two dots on it, and they haven't drawn them on, cos it was a shiny new one just out the packet on the tee. The ball in their playing partners pocket is indeed their ball...

back to the tee with a two stroke penalty for playing the wrong ball and now playing 4?

thanks! it happened tonight and they didn't know what to do!

Match play or Stroke???

Match play Player A loses the hole for playing a wrong ball. 15-3.

Stroke:
If it was a playing partner then.

Player A gets 2 stoke penalty for playing a wrong ball. Rule 15-3. Ball must be replaced and since it was moved by partner incur an additional 1 stroke penalty for moving a ball at rest Rule 18-2. If spot can't be determined (highly likely) then dropped by either player A or their partner as close to the spot where the ball lay not in a hazard or on a green. Rule 20-3C.

Next stroke would be their 5th (1 off the tee, 3 in penalties)



If the partner you refer to is actually a fellow competitor then same as above without the penalty for moving a ball at rest, Rule 18-4.

Next stroke would be their 4th.

 

[Heidi]

it was strokeplay pallybob. the partner was a fellow competitor, so they go back to where the shiny new titleist was found and drop and then player A plays - so tee shot, 2 stroke penalty and then play the correct ball from the rough where they think it was - so playing 4 from the rough?

 

[rulefan]

Yes. 2 stroke penalty for playing a wrong ball. But he should have corrected it when he discovered the problem and before making a stroke on the next teeing ground. If he did not then he is DQd.

PS I assume this was strokeplay and not matchplay as you used the word player in two different ways.

If it was match play, he simply lost the hole when he played the wrong ball.

 

[Heidi]

strokeplay
they noticed when they got to the green and said a few sweary words...!
and Player B handed over the shiny titleist
they decided that they didn't know what to do and Player A just NRd the hole

 

[Heidi]

so
tee shot
rule 15-3 - 2 stroke penalty for playing wrong ball
rule 18- 4 - ball moved by fellow competitor via their pocket and some considerable distance to the green. replace as close as they can to the spot where it was picked up
and now playing 4?

 

[palindromicbob]

so
tee shot
rule 15-3 - 2 stroke penalty for playing wrong ball
rule 18- 4 - ball moved by fellow competitor via their pocket and some considerable distance to the green. replace as close as they can to the spot where it was picked up
and now playing 4?

Yup. That's it and shown with working out but you forgot rule 20-3c

If through some freaky photographic memory thing they could find the exact spot and lie is unaltered then it would be placed rather than dropped.

 

[Heidi]

three rules, rather than two! argh
nah - she couldn't remember if she was playing a titleist 2 or 3 so there is no danger that they could find the spot again
think the NR was the right decision

didn't stop her getting a hole in one on the 13th tho!

what a mad night

 

[rosecott]

three rules, rather than two! argh
nah - she couldn't remember if she was playing a titleist 2 or 3 so there is no danger that they could find the spot again
think the NR was the right decision

didn't stop her getting a hole in one on the 13th tho!

what a mad night

Maybe there should be a formal presentation of a Sharpie pen to keep in her bag.

 

[Colin L]

three rules, rather than two! argh
nah - she couldn't remember if she was playing a titleist 2 or 3 so there is no danger that they could find the spot again
think the NR was the right decision

didn't stop her getting a hole in one on the 13th tho!

what a mad night

What seemed a very straightforward matter suddenly becomes confusing.

If she could not remember if she was playing a Titleist 2 or 3, how was she able to identify the ball her FC had picked up as hers? And what had that to do with knowing or otherwise the correct place at which to replace the ball? Maybe I'm misreading it.

 

[rulefan]

Player A just NRd the hole

Was this stableford?

If not, and it was a handicap qualifier, it would be DQ but score returned for handicap record.

 

[Maninblack4612]

And how did the FC know the shiney he one was theirs? It should have been marked in some way so that it could be definitely identified.

 

[Baldy Bouncer]

You`d be surprised how many golfers still don`t put ANY identification marks on their ball prior to teeing off in a comp!

 

[Imurg]

You`d be surprised how many golfers still don`t put ANY identification marks on their ball prior to teeing off in a comp!

That's because the rules only say you "should" mark your ball...how hard would it be to change that to"must"...?

 

[duncan mackie]

That's because the rules only say you "should" mark your ball...how hard would it be to change that to"must"...?

At the risk of opening up that discussion again.....As the player adding, or having pre printed, any additional identification marks can never provide absolute identification (beyond the first time you play a ball anywhere with a complex cipher or seperate bar coding every ball you plan and scanning it into play) the rules aren't going to rule on the nature of markings.