seochris
Challenge Tour Pro
In a foursome match...if a team needs to hit a provisional...is the it played who's just hit it in the cabbage or the other player who hits the provisional.
Two ball Foursomes.....who hits the provisional ball?
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chellie
Tour Winner
The other player.
Alternate shot format, so it has to be the other player.
D
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Also, from the same place. Sounds obvious but my female partner had to tee off from the men's tee in a recent mixed foursomes when I missed a fairway (first time since 2006 
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)Also, from the same place. Sounds obvious but my female partner had to tee off from the men's tee in a recent mixed foursomes when I missed a fairway (first time since 2006
That's a tough format, 3 off the tee just because you missed the fairway, did she take a lot of drives off the men's tee that day 🤔
😂😂
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Also, from the same place. Sounds obvious but my female partner had to tee off from the men's tee in a recent mixed foursomes when I missed a fairway (first time since 2006
I love it when that happens!
ne:I love it when that happens!
Especially when you find the fairway and out drive the men 😎🏌😂
D
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Louise could outdrive you with her 3 wood :ears:
Sybez
Challenge Tour Pro
Is this same in Greensomes? (When you both drive and then play alternate - for those who don't know the format)
rulefan
Tour Winner
As greensomes is not a recognised format in the Rules of Golf there is no correct answer.
Over the years many gurus have proposed solutions but all seem to have deficiencies.
Some samples:
A) From a respected rules expert:
1. Teeshots
On each hole both players tee off from their respective teeing grounds.
Before the 2nd stroke the team then selects the ball with which to play out the hole, playing alternate shots.
The selection can be made explicitly (by announcing which ball is selected) or implicitly (by playing a 2nd stroke with either of the balls, or by playing a new ball, other then a Provisional ball, from the teeing ground.)
An explicit selection may be changed before playing the 2nd stroke.
The partner of the player whose ball is selected must play the second stroke with this selected ball. (for playing in incorrect order see Rule 29-3)
Once the selection is made, the non-selected ball becomes a wrong ball.
2. Provisional Balls
After the players have selected the ball, Rule 27-2 is applicable.
Before the selection is made, the following Rules cover the play of a Provisional Ball:
1. A PB can only be played if both balls may be Lost outside a Water Hazard or Out of Bounds.
2. a. Only one of the players may play a PB and the PB must be played after both players have teed off.
b. A PB played before either of the partners has teed off deems the already played ball to be the selected ball.
3. If either of the original balls is found in bounds or is lost in a Water Hazard, the PB must be abandoned.
4. Clause #c of the definition of Lost Ball applies to each original ball separately."
B) From a book called " Golf: It's Rules And Decisions" by Richard Francis first published in 1936.
SELECTIVE DRIVE FOURSOME : Both partners shall put a ball in play from every tee and having done so shall, before another shot be played, determine which ball shall continue for that hole. Having driven, and the selection having been made, the rules of foursome ( not four-ball) then apply and no further selection is permitted. Under this rule, if both balls from the tee be out of bounds, lost or unplayable, or if one ball be one of these and other ball another, then the partners shall decide which ball shall be played, and if the man's ball be chosen then the woman shall play again from the tee and vice versa. If from the tee one player's ball be out of bounds, lost or unplayable, that player may not replay the shot from the tee. Either the partner's ball must be played for that hole ( if the other ball be chosen) the partner shall plasy again from the tee and the ball continued for that hole.
From an old Decision in the combined R&A/USGA Decision Book in 1976.
Rule 15 Decision 65/27/251:
Question.- In a Greensome two partner drove at a bogey three hole; one drive was very poor, but playable, the other out of bounds. the player whose ball was out of bounds played another ball, put it near the pin, and her side got a four with that ball. Was that allowed, or should they have played the poor drive? It was argued that one of the partner would have had to drive again if both balls had been out of bounds.
Answer.- Greensome competitions are not legislated for the Rules Of Golf. They are , however, a modification of foursome, and Rule 15 regarding the order of play should be applied. In the case cited the player who drove out of bounds should not have played a second ball off the tee under Rule 29-1a. If her side decided to select this drive her partner should have played three off the tee, since penalty strokes do not affect the order of play ( Rule 15-1). Since the player played out of turn, her side lost the hole ( Rule 15-2).
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Also, from the same place. Sounds obvious but my female partner had to tee off from the men's tee in a recent mixed foursomes when I missed a fairway (first time since 2006
This causes great consternation for our ladies in mixed foursomes on one hole - as the gents medal tee is nearly 100yds behind the ladies medal tee. To make things worse - off the gents until the fairway is reached we have trees tight all down the LHS and OoB tight down the RHS - and the ladies tee is only short of the fairway so none of that is in play.
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
In that case do you factor that in when deciding who will tee off the first so that on that hole the lady partner hits the tee shot as it would seem there is a significant advantage in that case, or is the teeing order stipulated as part of the comp rules. When we play foursomes comps I usually check with my partner if there are any tee shots where one of us may have an advantage (e.g. a hole requiring a draw, which I can't hit to order but my partner can).
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Mixed fours at our place are stipulated that men play the odds and women the evens.
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
Thanks. Interesting. Is the aim to make the comp more even or is it just to manage flow of play so that only one tee is in use on any hole. Are there any holes where you'd rather it was the other way round? (mind you, off your handicap I doubt there's any tee shot (or any approach for that matter) that you don't fancy.
DCB
Well-known member
Same at ours. Ladies play off most of the par 3s that way and avoid the longer par4s.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Thanks. Interesting. Is the aim to make the comp more even or is it just to manage flow of play so that only one tee is in use on any hole. Are there any holes where you'd rather it was the other way round? (mind you, off your handicap I doubt there's any tee shot (or any approach for that matter) that you don't fancy.
It's always been like that since I joined but I think it's for practical reasons due to the course layout. One hole in particular causes delays from the men's medal tees so that issue is avoided.
I actually think that depending on who I played with we'd be better off switching given the option.
