Titleist and American golf in dispute?

[Papas1982]

To me titleist have simply looked at the big picture:

Golf pro: a loyal stockist who buys in and promotes the gear.

AG: box shifters

I doubt vary much they've done it on such moral grounds.

Most likely they've just realised that long term it will hurt them profits to lose a large revenue stream in pros. Not for clubs, but balls. I'd imagine the mark up on a pack of pro v 1 and the multiple sales at clubs probably accountd for more profit than the odd set of clubs a pro sells.

 

[SAPCOR1]

To me titleist have simply looked at the big picture:

Golf pro: a loyal stockist who buys in and promotes the gear.

AG: box shifters

Eh? Anytime I have been in AG they are "loyally" stocking the full Titelist range (incl. Scotty & Vokey) and are prominently displayed.

Don't get this romantic view of the loyal club pro vs the big bad conglomerate

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Eh? Anytime I have been in AG they are "loyally" stocking the full Titelist range (incl. Scotty & Vokey) and are prominently displayed.

Don't get this romantic view of the loyal club pro vs the big bad conglomerate

Because up until recently you couldn't go into AG and get a significant amount of a purchase to be able to buy new clubs

Right now people are flooding into AG to exchange old irons for new irons and only having to pay half price

Golf club pros can't do that

So right now given the choice where do you think most people will go to get new irons - AG or their Pro - AG , and because of that it's going to affect the Pro Shop and their margins which will in turn affect their purchasing from their Manufacturers and it seems that Titliest have noticed this and possibly are doing something about it to ensure they still get their business though the club pro

I believe AG made a great offer to start but are now milking the proverbial- and someone is going to end up suffering the way it keeps going

 

[SAPCOR1]

Because up until recently you couldn't go into AG and get a significant amount of a purchase to be able to buy new clubs

Right now people are flooding into AG to exchange old irons for new irons and only having to pay half price

Golf club pros can't do that

So right now given the choice where do you think most people will go to get new irons - AG or their Pro - AG , and because of that it's going to affect the Pro Shop and their margins which will in turn affect their purchasing from their Manufacturers and it seems that Titliest have noticed this and possibly are doing something about it to ensure they still get their business though the club pro

I believe AG made a great offer to start but are now milking the proverbial- and someone is going to end up suffering the way it keeps going

If Titleist don't want to supply AG during this promotion then that is up to them, they will know what percentage of sales AG account for.

A business is there to make money and the individual has the choice where to buy from

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If Titleist don't want to supply AG during this promotion then that is up to them, they will know what percentage of sales AG account for.

A business is there to make money and the individual has the choice where to buy from

The AG business is too make money - but Titlest aren't the first to not give AG stock - Srixon for example don't give them irons or Zstars I believe preffering to stick to pro shops etc

But for me the Golf Shop Pro and his shop is more important than an AG and I have a feeling Titliest see that as well and they won't be the only one.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The AG business is too make money - but Titlest aren't the first to not give AG stock - Srixon for example don't give them irons or Zstars I believe preffering to stick to pro shops etc

But for me the Golf Shop Pro and his shop is more important than an AG and I have a feeling Titliest see that as well and they won't be the only one.

AG spend millions raising the profile of Golf and have a presence in the public eye, how can the Pro and his shop be more important, the Pro has a loyalty to a few hundred, we need both, and imo the only Pro's they are causing an issue to are those who are expanded outside their own Club, plenty of Pro's don't even stock Titleist.

 

[moogie]

Id place a small wager that it wouldn't just be over something as simple as this trade in deal
Got to be more to it than that........

 

[bluewolf]

AG spend millions raising the profile of Golf and have a presence in the public eye, how can the Pro and his shop be more important, the Pro has a loyalty to a few hundred, we need both, and imo the only Pro's they are causing an issue to are those who are expanded outside their own Club, plenty of Pro's don't even stock Titleist.

I'd argue that the local Pro was more important to Golf than AG. Who is it that the kids go to see when they want to play golf? Who does the amateur come into most contact with? Who gives advice/lessons/favours etc?

Whilst I agree that there's a place in the market for both, I know who the game would miss most if they disappeared..

 

[Beezerk]

Id place a small wager that it wouldn't just be over something as simple as this trade in deal
Got to be more to it than that........

Account on stop?
Does all add up with this crazy double trade in deal which doesn't really make much sense re profit. It's the first rule of business, lie, lie and lie some more about how successful your company is trading.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

AG spend millions raising the profile of Golf and have a presence in the public eye, how can the Pro and his shop be more important, the Pro has a loyalty to a few hundred, we need both, and imo the only Pro's they are causing an issue to are those who are expanded outside their own Club, plenty of Pro's don't even stock Titleist.

How many junior afternoon sessions do AG host ?

How many schools do AG visit on a weekly basis to encourage kids to join

How many AG employees do you see at your club to be able to offer advice or a friendly ear , how many are there to lend you that driver , or putter you have been eyeing up , how many at AG know you personally by name

The golf club pro is who we as Amatuers come into contact more than anyone in AG

The golf pro is a vital part of any decent golf club - without a golf pro the club and game would suffer greatly , without AG the game wouldn't imo

AG have their place in the game no doubt but for me the golf pro is far more important to the sport

And I'd wager that Titliest are just the first to show concerns

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'd argue that the local Pro was more important to Golf than AG. Who is it that the kids go to see when they want to play golf? Who does the amateur come into most contact with? Who gives advice/lessons/favours etc?

Whilst I agree that there's a place in the market for both, I know who the game would miss most if they disappeared..

But they fullfil different roles so in effect is daft to compare them, Purely from a Clubs point of view Pro's use that to supplement their income, how many pro's are known outside the club, I would suggest more people outside Golf probably approach AG first rather than a local club.
TV adverts, sponsoring events, if AG weren't there, the profile of golf would diminish further.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

How many junior afternoon sessions do AG host ?

How many schools do AG visit on a weekly basis to encourage kids to join

How many AG employees do you see at your club to be able to offer advice or a friendly ear , how many are there to lend you that driver , or putter you have been eyeing up , how many at AG know you personally by name

The golf club pro is who we as Amatuers come into contact more than anyone in AG

The golf pro is a vital part of any decent golf club - without a golf pro the club and game would suffer greatly , without AG the game wouldn't imo

AG have their place in the game no doubt but for me the golf pro is far more important to the sport

And I'd wager that Titliest are just the first to show concerns

Again Phil, it's not one solution fits all, some AG stores are near courses, the AG in Sunderland does all the above with local communties, has a range next door and is always full of kids,
Obviously those who already play Golf he's important, but how many non-golfers even know these guys n girls exist.

Because of financial reasons how many pro's can survive on simply being just the pro, I'm not suggesting we don't need them, I'm saying you can't put them in competition to each other.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I just think the whole AG deal just looks like a stunt pulled knowing the administrators are round the corner with no conern for the long term effect on anyone. To me it looks like financial suicide.

 

[Beezerk]

I just think the whole AG deal just looks like a stunt pulled knowing the administrators are round the corner with no conern for the long term effect on anyone. To me it looks like financial suicide.

Yup, a few suggested that on here at the start of the other thread. The missus who is a lawyer that deals with insolvency etc said something similar when I mentioned it to her.
Hope she's 100% wrong though.

 

[Marshy77]

How many junior afternoon sessions do AG host ?

How many schools do AG visit on a weekly basis to encourage kids to join

How many AG employees do you see at your club to be able to offer advice or a friendly ear , how many are there to lend you that driver , or putter you have been eyeing up , how many at AG know you personally by name

The golf club pro is who we as Amatuers come into contact more than anyone in AG

The golf pro is a vital part of any decent golf club - without a golf pro the club and game would suffer greatly , without AG the game wouldn't imo

AG have their place in the game no doubt but for me the golf pro is far more important to the sport

And I'd wager that Titliest are just the first to show concerns

The only golfer's that benefit from club pro's advice are the members of the club, from my non club associated mates point of view they've never come into contact with a club pro but use AG regulary. I do agree that without AG the game would continue but non members would just find another online or large store to visit rather than a club pro.

I think we/forum member's sometimes are slightly short sighted in that non members never have that relationship with a clup pro, they don't all have the latest gear, they don't swap and change gear all the time they just play when and where ever. Having only been a member of a club for under a year I now see it from both sides but have more non member golfer mates than members of clubs

 

[drewster]

Isn't there a titleist/footjoy rep who comments sporadically on here ?? It'd be interesting to hear his side of things !!!!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I just think the whole AG deal just looks like a stunt pulled knowing the administrators are round the corner with no conern for the long term effect on anyone. To me it looks like financial suicide.

Personally I think you're spot on.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The only golfer's that benefit from club pro's advice are the members of the club, from my non club associated mates point of view they've never come into contact with a club pro but use AG regulary. I do agree that without AG the game would continue but non members would just find another online or large store to visit rather than a club pro.

I think we/forum member's sometimes are slightly short sighted in that non members never have that relationship with a clup pro, they don't all have the latest gear, they don't swap and change gear all the time they just play when and where ever. Having only been a member of a club for under a year I now see it from both sides but have more non member golfer mates than members of clubs

This.

Some people on here clearly have great relationships with their pro's and have very active pro's. Plenty of others don't. The default for everyone I know is AG rather than their club pro.

 

[moogie]

Personally I think you're spot on.

Cue me, quickly rushing to empty the rest of my garage whilst the deal is still on

 

[moogie]

This.

Some people on here clearly have great relationships with their pro's and have very active pro's. Plenty of others don't. The default for everyone I know is AG rather than their club pro.

I totally agree
My last pro at previous club, not the most helpful
In the bar every time Newcastle on tv, with shop shut
Goods at RRP or higher at times

I'd miss American golf, or the like, before I'd miss a pro like that

Disclaimer -- not all pros are like the above
But by the same token, not all are as described by others, as being as helpful