Arthur Wedge
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No one said it does and his actions away from the field will come with consequences
But people’s morals shouldn’t be judged if they want to seperate someone’s personal life from their sporting achievements
Tiger in another car crash
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No one said it does and his actions away from the field will come with consequences
But people’s morals shouldn’t be judged if they want to seperate someone’s personal life from their sporting achievements
PaulMdj
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Imo it should, one his credibility has gone it brings into question his behaviour on and around golf courses.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
I'll take this as a reluctance to clarify your statement.
I believe that in the prison population there is a disproportionate number from care homes, broken homes and poor parenting backgrounds.
Undoubtedly there are many from very good parenting backgrounds, but to state prisons are "full" of these is very misleading. They are disproportionately lower in number.
PaulMdj
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Don’t worry yourself, I’m sure @Lucifer MorningStar who I replied to didn’t take my comment so literally.
Lucifer MorningStar
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This is probably where we disagree. Society should not have to step in at all, it is not societies responsibility to ensure others make better life choices. These choices come from morals instilled in us through up bringing and through learning from our now mistakes.
I absolutely get your point but I completely disagree.
Again I agree nobody should be given a free pass and he should be punished for these incidents.
But that’s not going to stop me watching in awe of his sporting achievements and if say he played the Masters and was in contention. His off course antics are not going to have me saying he doesn’t deserve to win.
But I don’t condone his behaviour in law breaking at all and should be punished, equally I don’t judge his marriage misdemeanours as like I’ve said he isn’t told only person that will do that!
If people want to judge my morals in that then so be it I won’t lose sleep over it I know I’m not a bad person just because I can separate the 2.
Lucifer MorningStar
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Nope not taken literally completely understood the meaning
PaulMdj
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The problem for me, how do we know the pain meds are not helping his Golf, is he taking the prescribed dose or a little extra.
If it had been an accident unrelated to drink and drugs, fully support him, but these haven’t been.
He should of retired at the top after the first public event, imo.
Lucifer MorningStar
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Even if the pain meds are helping his golf that’s not against the rules especially if they’re prescribed. It also wouldn’t be against the rules to play on PEDs, the PGAT can grant a TUE exemption based on medical records, Dr recommendation and as long as they’re of reason to believe no significant gain over the field is made they have no grounds to turn down an application for one and can inform WADA of the decision so he wouldn’t fail any drug tests.
In that regard it’s no different to a football playing having pain jabs or cortisol steroid injections to get through a game.
I don’t support him at all with regards to his off course antics and he should be punished accordingly but it certainly won’t make me cheer against him on the course.
Should he have retired that’s always going to be subjective. I’d rather see him retire and get help he needs, but equally if he came back and was at the top of the leaderboard it’s be hard not to see that as an exceptional achievement and not make it exciting as a sporting spectacle.
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Arthur Wedge
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A lot of sportsmen and women will be playing using some level of pain killers and they just get a exemption
He should have been charged for the last crash
The current one , could just be poor driving , seems like many people refuse urine test over there so he is prob not going to be prosecuted
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Knowing what we know about Tiger's broken down body and his attitude to keep wanting to compete, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's addicted to painkillers by now. It is a surprise to me that he hasn't simply hired a chauffeur by now, but maybe he's a bit of a petrol-head. In the UK we have Katie Price who should be behind bars after about 10 driving offences, but she still walks free, so it'll never surprise me what some celebs get away with.
I don't think it tarnishes his legacy at all. People are usually very able to separate the sportsman from the character. The only things that seem to tarnish one's legacy are straight up murder or sex offences. Everything else, nobody seems to care or it just gets forgotten about.
I don't think it tarnishes his legacy at all. People are usually very able to separate the sportsman from the character. The only things that seem to tarnish one's legacy are straight up murder or sex offences. Everything else, nobody seems to care or it just gets forgotten about.
D-S
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It was confirmed not to be 'just poor driving', he was checked by officials roadside and found to be impaired by unknown substances hence he was asked to provide a urine sample which he refused. He will be prosecuted for refusing to take a urine test.
Lucifer MorningStar
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That’s not factually correct. It was believed to be more than just poor driving. With the refusal of Urine test which he is allowed to Do under their laws nothing can be confirmed or proved. They need to legally enforced blood work to confirm or prove that theory. Which as far as I’m aware hasn’t been reported that, those tests have been done.
He is to be charged with failure to carry out a urine test but doubt that’ll lead to
Much. I’m not saying that’s right and clearly he’s on something but without factual and legal proof nothing is confirmed or proven. So all he is being prosecuted for is refusing to produce under DUI guidelines without any proof he was impaired due to as you put it unknown substances.
It’s a very grey area in the US law and rightly or wrongly he’s taking advantage of that fact as they allow it. In my opinion they should have legally enforced the blood tests (that’s if they haven’t as we’ve not been party to that info), then prosecute based on that factual information rather than allowing this loophole.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
When he walked across the Swilken Bridge at the 150th Open, that should have been his farewell.
Now, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they start trying to hype him up to play at Augusta in a few weeks, just to cool the topic of the crash and what is behind it.
Arthur Wedge
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That was a little bit different than what they were saying this morning
They need to prove that he was impaired so needed to do blood work but he it seems is only being charged with failing to provide a urine sample
So very little will happen
Burnsey
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We all witnessed a circus at the recent Ryder Cup and any event Tiger attends in the near future will in my opinion would be similar.
He needs to throw the towel in on his playing career. Not going to win and doesn't need prize money anyway.
He needs to throw the towel in on his playing career. Not going to win and doesn't need prize money anyway.
PaulMdj
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Maybe I’m biased due experiences in the Military, I witnessed quality blokes get discharged or sent to Colly for one mistake, while others further up the ranks, including Officers, have their mistakes ignored or even covered up!
A Sqn OC who would “sleep” with any female with a pulse deciding people’s futures and briefing on Values and Standards.
It amazes me people are willing to ignore certain behaviours outside of their work life, to me it comes back to credibility and trust.
D-S
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Quotes from the Sheriff:-
"Mr Woods did exemplify signs of impairment", Budensiek said.
"They did several tests on him," Budensiek said. "He did explain the injuries and surgeries that he's had and we did take that into account, but they did some in-depth roadside tests."
"There is a statute which he will be charged with for refusing to take that test, but we will never get definitive results as to what he was impaired on at the time of the crash."
So they know that he was impaired just not what he was impaired with and he will be charged for refusing to take a test. He was in a crash and their experts confirm that he was impaired, so it was not 'just poor driving'.
Lucifer MorningStar
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Being ex Mob has nothing to do with and is often used as an excuse to claim higher moral standards. You know I’m still military, I know lads that have been to Colly, know I’ve made mistakes and to a large extent been lucky with the punishments in that I never went there myself but I never got away with anything and accepted whatever punishment there was and learned from them. I don’t allow the mistakes others and their supposed superiority of their rank/role be the dictator of how I judge someone’s actions. I’ve even recently been in trouble for refusing to attend a briefing on Unacceptable behaviours because the officer carrying out the training I’ve personally witnessed being inappropriate,
I was happy to accept that rollicking and stood my ground stating I will attend the course but one that is led by someone other than him, it meant I had to cover a weekend duty but I’d rather that than be lectured by someone that doesn’t uphold the values they preach.
I’m not sure where you’re getting the ignoring things outside of a work life from or your merely confusing the sporting accolades with a normal work life. If someone is a questionable character I’ll have nothing to do with them and call them out. I’ve even done so here I think Tiger should face charges do what he’s done. That doesn’t mean I can’t admire what has been achieved on the golf course it’s nothing to do with work morals or wanting to associate with them or ignore their actions.
It also raises the question of someone something wrong in a personal level should their livelihood be taken away and should they loose their jobs for personal life mistakes.? If he was a HGV, Taxi driver etc absolutely because it’s a driving offence and could lose his licence. But he’s a golfer his off course problems don’t necessarily dictate he shouldn’t be allowed to play golf. Bit like an office worker losing their licence for a DUI, doesn’t mean they can’t do their job or should lose their livelihood people are calling for! But because he’s a millionaire it’s ok we can ask for that as he doesn’t need the money
I don’t work with him I watch golf and I want to see the sport’s biggest and best stars. I can and do differentiate between the 2, as a human being he shows zero credibility and I wouldn’t trust him as a person. But as a golfer I can and do admire what he did on a golf course or should be forced to retire!
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PaulMdj
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I get all that, but this goes back to him being seen as a role model, he has been and is used as one, he was put on a pedestal and abused that position.Being ex Mob has nothing to do with and is often used as an excuse to claim higher moral standards. You know I’m still military, I know lads that have been to Colly, know I’ve made mistakes and to a large extent been lucky with the punishments in that I never went there myself but I never got away with anything and accepted whatever punishment there was and learned from them. I don’t allow the mistakes others and their supposed superiority of their rank/role be the dictator of how I judge someone’s actions. I’ve even recently been in trouble for refusing to attend a briefing on Unacceptable behaviours because the officer carrying out the training I’ve personally witnessed being inappropriate,
I was happy to accept that rollicking and stood my ground stating I will attend the course but one that is led by someone other than him, it meant I had to cover a weekend duty but I’d rather that than be lectured by someone that doesn’t uphold the values they preach.
I’m not sure where you’re getting the ignoring things outside of a work life from or your merely confusing the sporting accolades with a normal work life. If someone is a questionable character I’ll have nothing to do with them and call them out. I’ve even done so here I think Tiger should face charges do what he’s done. That doesn’t mean I can’t admire what has been achieved on the golf course it’s nothing to do with work morals or wanting to associate with them or ignore their actions.
It also raises the question of someone something wrong in a personal level should their livelihood be taken away and should they loose their jobs for personal life mistakes.? If he was a HGV, Taxi driver etc absolutely because it’s a driving offence and could lose his licence. But he’s a golfer his off course problems don’t necessarily dictate he shouldn’t be allowed to play golf. Bit like an office worker losing their licence for a DUI, doesn’t mean they can’t do their job or should lose their livelihood people are calling for! But because he’s a millionaire it’s ok we can ask for that as he doesn’t need the money
I don’t work with him I watch golf and I want to see the sport’s biggest and best stars. I can and do differentiate between the 2, as a human being he shows zero credibility and I wouldn’t trust him as a person. But as a golfer I can and do admire what he did on a golf course or should be forced to retire!
For someone to be given that sort of status they need to be whiter than white imo.
I don’t expect him to be a monk, nobody is perfect, but I don’t see how it sporting life and personal life can be seperated when it is his actions that have brought them in to the spotlight.
I’m not using being ex Mob as an excuse, you’ll of seen as much as me as to how that’s irrelevant, it’s more to upbringing and personal experiences.
Jeez! That takes out at least 75% of bowlers. It’s more an age thing but most are on BP, beta blockers & pain meds.
I do separate what he’s done on the course & off it. His golf, at his best, was amazing. That was at a time then he was fit and not, supposedly, taking meds.
As an individual off the course I wouldn’t want to sit down with him for a beer. I don’t respect him as a person but I respect his golfing achievements.
But as ever, each to their own…who am I to judge..
