Arthur Wedge
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I never mentioned any other players or about him being a role model
Just clearly said what it shows is he is still the biggest name in golf
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Just clearly said what it shows is he is still the biggest name in golf
Arthur Wedge
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People will mainly judge Woods on what they see on a golf course and as a golfer as opposed to what has happened to his life off it
And that’s the same with many sporting stars that have had off the pitch of course issues
So as a “golfer” there will be many who have him on a pedestal
Lucifer MorningStar
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But he is some sort of golfing Deity the things he has achieved on a course are simply phenomenal. Off the course however he’s a complete bell end! Both things can be true and are, the issue is many people can’t separate the golf from the man and they idolise sports stars as role models.
Roles models should be people that contribute to society in a positive way and make us raise ourselves to be better people. Of which Tiger is certainly not worthy of that status, Gary Woodland on the other hand that’s a role model as a person in the game of golf.
irip
Head Pro
The person you responded to did compare Woods & Mickleson though.I never mentioned any other players or about him being a role model
Just clearly said what it shows is he is still the biggest name in golf
And in their opinion they feel that is a good comparison.
If you can’t see that or disagree that’s fine but you don’t need to appear condescending to them.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
The problem is, he's now having a huge influence over the operation of the PGAT and TGL, and mens pro golf in general - it's mentioned earlier that Woods has broken the rules of conduct for the tour, and it will be interesting to see how that is acted on, because I've got a sneaky feeling his golfing achievements will be used to protect him - which would be wrong imho.
Arthur Wedge
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With the current situation within tour golf the Woods “incident” is the perfect situation to score points
The headlines right now should be a guy who has battled back from a brain tumour to win his first event in 7 years
Lucifer MorningStar
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There’s a perfect t storm here if the PGAT are smart enough. They back Tiger publicly and state we are working with him to get him the help he needs with these issues, whilst they do that they enforce him to seek help for his problems and only allow him to play whilst speaking openly about them and how the help he is getting has come from within golf etc. Tiger gets the help needed and does everything the tour ask of him as an ambassador and only plays in smaller events to help raise their profile whilst showing humility of his fall. The tour would then regain power without belittling the man (not that he deserves to be better treated) and they show humility in they support players with mental struggles. However it more likely they roll over and pamper to his every whim.
And here you are like the rest of us discussing this point scoring issue. So people either ignore it which is wrong as that effectively brushes it under the carpet Or they openly speak about it, how it’s a disgrace and what should be done to stop it happening again but then get told it’s just point scoring! Can’t have it both ways, it has to be and should be discussed.
That doesn’t mean the positive of Woodlands win shouldn’t be discussed. Neither has to take the main focus but instead should be used to highlight positives and negatives and perhaps promote better well being. Woodlands win is amazing, is classy and the man is an example they can use for betterment. Both things here can be discussed in the same conversation and used to bring positive change.
Fore Right
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You can't (and in my opinion shouldn't) overlook the quality of the psrson just because he could hit a white ball better than most.
His morals are from the gutter.
He should be held accountable for his behaviour like any other PGAT member would be.
Arthur Wedge
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People can and will judge the person on his sporting performance alone and leave the off the course judgements to others
what happened with his wife and personal life is his choice and he will need to live with the consequences of those choices
I don’t ever see a sporting person as a moral role model , sports role model maybe
Lucifer MorningStar
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Think that sums it up pretty well tbh. Non ferment to any other sports star the world over. Maradona was a genius and a footballing legend, disgrace of man but as a football fan even I just focus on his ability with a ball, I certainly wouldn’t make his life
Agreed re: his marriage he is not the first and will not be the last man or woman to make mistakes of infidelity, we’re all human some of us make mistakes like that and often it comes from unhappiness, boredom or just the fact we think we can get away with it. Doesn’t make it right far from it but we live with our choices as does he.
I’ve also never understood to role model thing as an outside influence. Certainly not from sports or celebrity model as they’re so far removed from the norms of society in how they live both financially and morally as so much is given to them. I love to see their sporting achievements and can wow at their ability or try to pull of a trick or shot I’ve seen them do. But certainly don’t ever think I should live my life like them or dress like always found that a bit weird.
Re the role model thing, especially with Woods. I ran the junior section for a number of years during Wood’s peak. He was definitely seen as a golfing god by the majority of juniors. A group of the lads wore red on competition days. For us, he’s a great golfer but not a role model but to youngsters…
Lucifer MorningStar
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I get the sporting role model and kids wanting to wear the clothing. But as adults we should equally educate them that this is a sporting idol not a role model, teach them to differentiate and see the difference been the sporting genius and the person.
I know that is what our junior organiser did as I’m sure you did as well instilled the discipline and respect for the game and people. I do that with my kids regularly it’s like hitting your head against a brick wall but isn’t that what we’re meant to do as the actual role model.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
I think he might need some reading material while he is "resting" at home.
PaulMdj
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How many “doors” did his golfing ability open, how many times was the colour of his skin used?
He was absolutely put on a pedestal as a role model, who at the height of his career was the one kids wanted to be, he literally changed the face of Golf in the USA.
How many times did he use these situations to meet women or misbehave in other ways, he was seen as the perfect sportsman, succesful on the course, perfect wife, 2 kids etc etc.
Whether he asked for it we don’t know, but he certainly played along.
He’s raised millions for charities and not all through Golf.
As for the football comparison, how many times on here do we read comments about the behaviour of Footballers reflects the behaviour of kids watching them.
Tiger’s popularity was way bigger than the golf course and his behaviour off the course should not be kept seperate to his behaviour on the course, he certainly used his fame, wealth and opportunities earned on the course to exploit it off the course.
Kids do not need to think that their behaviour on and off the course/pitch etc are seperate issues and don’t come with consequences for both.
Arthur Wedge
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When it comes to the football comparisons about behaviour people imo are talking about their actions on the field whilst they are playing the sport when it comes to being “role models” - kids copy what players do on the pitch
Woods ability opened the doors for him to get into the sport , his skin colour added to his story on the golf course
What he decides to do away from the golf course is his choice and he lives by those choices and any consequences that come along with them
Lucifer MorningStar
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A lot I agree with and a lot I disagree with there.
I wrote a long response but I think it just dilutes the thread. All I’ll say is yes he moves the needle, the tour have been to soft for to long and allowed him to much power and leeway.
We want kids to emulate sporting heroes on the field of play to a large extent it’s how they learn. But off the field it’s our responsibility to ground them and teach them right from wrong. So they should be taught how to behave differently off the pitch and about consequences of actions. The 2 have similarities but ultimately are very different in how they’re handled, policed and the repercussions of decisions.
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Tashyboy
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If you talk to a lot of young uns today re role models. They would probably not use that term. But use the term of “ influencer”. That’s todays online modern terminology. For me the difference is Tiger has massively achieved and before “Online had reached it peak”. Influencers, what have they actually done. Some of those I hear my grandkids talk about, I have never heard of them, never mind what that have or haven’t done.
But depending on the outcome of Tigers latest misdemeanours. I may have a problem with it. There is no doubt he has been a massive influence on some kids. He knows it and even more so his sponsors. But if he walks away from this with no more than a gentle slap on the wrist, what kind of a message does that send to his followers. To me the wrong one.
But depending on the outcome of Tigers latest misdemeanours. I may have a problem with it. There is no doubt he has been a massive influence on some kids. He knows it and even more so his sponsors. But if he walks away from this with no more than a gentle slap on the wrist, what kind of a message does that send to his followers. To me the wrong one.
I think it’s not just kids that put him on a pedestal. Even in recent years when he’s played he’s had way more coverage than his position in the field has merited. Adults made the decision on that.
Short version; a flawed genius. And just like a number of other flawed geniuses he needs professional help - in fact he’s had that but still makes the same mistakes, ergo an addict.
Fore Right
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My overall take on it is that if the attitude from the PGA Tour Hierarchy, media and fans is to turn a blind eye to it because he was an incredible golfer ultimately enables the situation to happen again.
And events in the past decade bear that out, he gets away with it and he does it again.
Being held accountable with some kind of public punishment could be the trigger for Tiger to finally get help before he injures himself again or worse someone else the next time.
And events in the past decade bear that out, he gets away with it and he does it again.
Being held accountable with some kind of public punishment could be the trigger for Tiger to finally get help before he injures himself again or worse someone else the next time.
PaulMdj
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You can’t seperate them, actions in a chosen profession should not excuse behaviour away from that, there should be consequences.
Otherwise you are telling kids, don’t copy me on the sporting arena as it’s bad, but hey, do what you want off the field if you’re above a certain level.
The USPGA should come out and say enough is enough, we don’t want you anywhere near our Golf Courses or take him out the Hall of Fame, just like football Clubs should get rid of players when they step out of line away from the Club, actiins need consequences.
