The Union Jack

I was just wondering why the Americans are so proud of their flag and we generally aren't.

Wander into the southern states and you wont see it so much, confederate flag still flies proud there. Division everywhere. America is less tolerant and less liberal than western European countries too, land of the free it is not.
 
Do you have one fluttering about your house/shed/garage/kitchen drawer?
Do you even own one?
I don't mean the little ones that attach to you car window I mean the biggies

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P.S.
This has nothing to do with Brexit

Are you in difficulties or distress, as the Union Flag is flying upside down.
Yes I have a propper Union Jack, it flew on the Jack staff of the ship i was on at the 1977 Spithead review and was saluted by Her Majesty.
God Bless the Maid.
 
Once went on a kids football trip to Italy just north of Milan. It was a trip I organised for my kids team. It was the second time we had gone to Italy and it had been a roaring success for the previous two years. It was all about social integration, cultures etc etc. Anyway the local council jumped on the bandwagon and who should end up coming on our visit but the local independant Mayor. He liked a drink. One night he had a few drinks in a good friends house and got up and made a speech thanking everyone. At the end he made a joke that the French had designed a new flag, a white cross on a white background. The silence was deafening. I had never felt so embarrassed in all my life at that time. About twenty minutes later a still good friend said " Tash, what does he really think about us Italians".
 
I think Americans are less questioning of their country and the decisions it makes. We question our media, our politicians, our military. Americans have a strong element of blind faith. I prefer our way.
 
I think Americans are less questioning of their country and the decisions it makes. We question our media, our politicians, our military. Americans have a strong element of blind faith. I prefer our way.

I don't like our way either. It smacks of too many chiefs. Everyone and their dog, irrespective of their field of expertise, seem to want to be involved in the decision making.

Make a point, have a vote and then let the experts work it out. I sometimes wonder if we're heading towards anarchy...
 
I'm not sure it's a need to be involved in decisions making. We question and have a healthy scepticism for our leaders and the people who act in our name. We do not blindly believe they are always correct, which they are often not.

I think the term expert is very loosely bandied around and recent years have shown very clearly that experts are putting their fingers up in the wind a little bit more than people realise.
 
I don't like our way either. It smacks of too many chiefs. Everyone and their dog, irrespective of their field of expertise, seem to want to be involved in the decision making.

Make a point, have a vote and then let the experts work it out. I sometimes wonder if we're heading towards anarchy...


Which sums up why I feel we'll never see the B word ever actually happening...
 
The opposite for me. Patriotism is a massively overated concept. Why would we promote more of it? Because by some stroke of luck you happened to be born one side of some imaginary line, than the other, that means what....

So if someone from Cheltenham was tied for the lead of The Open with an American, would you not support him?
 
The opposite for me. Patriotism is a massively overated concept. Why would we promote more of it? Because by some stroke of luck you happened to be born one side of some imaginary line, than the other, that means what....

I'm inclined to agree but are a little stuck on the semantics. Patriotism and tribalism are almost one and the same in my eyes. Pride in something, yes, but patriotism... I find it harder to define.
 
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