Probably a better title would have been "The Scrambling Game".
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The Short Game
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Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Nope it's called golf, where greens have banks, slopes etc to bounce off and land in trees, lakes and bushes, fairways have bunkers, trees and non perfect lies. And the biggest issue associated with this game is a rule book, all of which you seem unfamiliar with 
To be fair, I do carry a rule book in my bag!
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Why? do you often have to refer to it on the range ...........
richart
Major Champion
Your short game is probably longer than most Tim. 
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I've heard of a long game - shots from the tee and a long way from the green.
I've heard of a short game - Wedge-work, pitches, chips ,flops and putts.
I've never heard of a putting game.
I've heard putting being refered to as a "game within a game" but any shot from wedge distance to a 1 inch putt has to be considered as the short game.
There is not a player on the Planet that doesn't miss greens. To think differently shows at best naivety, at worst downright stupidity.
Sure, a good long game - as Rory said - means you don't need much of a short game but you're still going to miss greens.
Proof - PGA Tour stat - Greens in Regulation leader - Bubba with 74.07% - means that 25.93% of the time he needs a short game. Tour average - 64.16% GIR.
You have no idea what you're talking about Tim.
I've heard of a short game - Wedge-work, pitches, chips ,flops and putts.
I've never heard of a putting game.
I've heard putting being refered to as a "game within a game" but any shot from wedge distance to a 1 inch putt has to be considered as the short game.
There is not a player on the Planet that doesn't miss greens. To think differently shows at best naivety, at worst downright stupidity.
Sure, a good long game - as Rory said - means you don't need much of a short game but you're still going to miss greens.
Proof - PGA Tour stat - Greens in Regulation leader - Bubba with 74.07% - means that 25.93% of the time he needs a short game. Tour average - 64.16% GIR.
You have no idea what you're talking about Tim.
jammag
Challenge Tour Pro
I think the original message he put was that if you was the perfect player then you wouldnt need one as you would hit every gir etc, how ever obviously no one is or ever will be the perfect player.
You say putting is the same as a short game, but it really isnt. Putting you will make your stroke different you will check the line of the putt you will see where slopes are. How many times have you from 100 yards walked up to the green to check the slopes to see the exact spot your going to take and the roll it will have.
Putting is so much more than a normal shot or short game shot. Its a different style no power which you may need in short game for bunker shots etc. Theres so much more you assess in a putt to get that ball on its way to the hole.
You say putting is the same as a short game, but it really isnt. Putting you will make your stroke different you will check the line of the putt you will see where slopes are. How many times have you from 100 yards walked up to the green to check the slopes to see the exact spot your going to take and the roll it will have.
Putting is so much more than a normal shot or short game shot. Its a different style no power which you may need in short game for bunker shots etc. Theres so much more you assess in a putt to get that ball on its way to the hole.
smange
Journeyman Pro
I thought that was obvious after his first half dozen posts
Cant believe all you guys still bite when he posts
richart
Major Champion
I am sure i remember David Graham winning the US Open years ago and he hit every green in regulation in the last round. The best iron play i have ever seen to hard and fast typical US Open greens and unlikely to be repeated.
Despite that i agree with my learned colleague's Imurg's earlier remarks.
Despite that i agree with my learned colleague's Imurg's earlier remarks.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Would you not do this for a chip just off the green? I try to read the green in the same way as a putt - after all I am trying to get the ball in the hole.
THere is different style to most shots. A full blooded Driver is a differet shot to a smooth 5iron from 170 out - still the long game. A half wedge from 60 yards is a different style to a parachute lob over a bunker - still the short game. How much power do you put into a 60 foot putt that has to go up a 4 ft slope?
jammag
Challenge Tour Pro
I tell ya the difference is the putt you stroke in hoping to get a roll on the ball, every other shot is a swing. You have pointed out 1 shot that maybe very close to the edge of the green so you will play it more like a putt anyway, how ever other short game strokes such as bunker shots, flop shots or as others put any shot from within a 100 yards you will still swing. Same as the driver to a 5 iron its a swing not a stroke of the ball.
The only short game shot which I think is the same which not many people accept in the game is the chipper shot which is more a stroke than a swing.
Long game and short game get you to the green and putting I still feel is seperate.
The only short game shot which I think is the same which not many people accept in the game is the chipper shot which is more a stroke than a swing.
Long game and short game get you to the green and putting I still feel is seperate.
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Tim,
Have a read of this mate.....
It " MIGHT " make you take the blinkers off....
http://www.popeofslope.com/downloads/therealdifference.pdf
The part of that that surprised me most is that you can play Torrey pines for $185
EZprophet
Head Pro
I thought that was obvious after his first half dozen posts
Cant believe all you guys still bite when he posts
+1
The first sensible post in this thread...
Tiger
Money List Winner
I would join in 'the debate' but I can't seem to find my spoon anywhere...
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
"One of the most telling numbers was
how dramatically the amateur players inflated
their driving distances. The lower
handicappers claimed their average drives
went 247 yards, while driving-distance
stats taken on two holes documented an
average of 232—a 15-yard exaggeration.
Poorer players claimed a driving average of
227 yards and, in actuality, hit it 198
yards—a 29-yard lie of the mind.
Many conclusions can be drawn from
this data, but the hard lesson on this aspect:
The worse the players, the more they
kid themselves about how good (and long)
they are. Nobody, it seems, wants to admit
he drives the ball less than 200 yards. Succumbing
to self-delusion, it seems most
amateurs tend to equate their best drive
with their average drive".
You heard it here first
how dramatically the amateur players inflated
their driving distances. The lower
handicappers claimed their average drives
went 247 yards, while driving-distance
stats taken on two holes documented an
average of 232—a 15-yard exaggeration.
Poorer players claimed a driving average of
227 yards and, in actuality, hit it 198
yards—a 29-yard lie of the mind.
Many conclusions can be drawn from
this data, but the hard lesson on this aspect:
The worse the players, the more they
kid themselves about how good (and long)
they are. Nobody, it seems, wants to admit
he drives the ball less than 200 yards. Succumbing
to self-delusion, it seems most
amateurs tend to equate their best drive
with their average drive".
You heard it here first
D
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Guest
I'm surprised you're playing a par 3 like that Timmy.
I thought you'd just knock a wedge straight on?
richart
Major Champion
"One of the most telling numbers was
how dramatically the amateur players inflated
their driving distances. The lower
handicappers claimed their average drives
went 247 yards, while driving-distance
stats taken on two holes documented an
average of 232—a 15-yard exaggeration.
Poorer players claimed a driving average of
227 yards and, in actuality, hit it 198
yards—a 29-yard lie of the mind.
Many conclusions can be drawn from
this data, but the hard lesson on this aspect:
The worse the players, the more they
kid themselves about how good (and long)
they are. Nobody, it seems, wants to admit
he drives the ball less than 200 yards. Succumbing
to self-delusion, it seems most
amateurs tend to equate their best drive
with their average drive".
You heard it here first
Have you just made that up, or do you have a source ? Also when you claimed to have driven 190 yards downwind, how far did you actual dribble it ?
It's the damn trees smiffy, they keep slowing the ball down.
"One of the most telling numbers was
how dramatically the amateur players inflated
their driving distances. The lower
handicappers claimed their average drives
went 247 yards, while driving-distance
stats taken on two holes documented an
average of 232—a 15-yard exaggeration.
Poorer players claimed a driving average of
227 yards and, in actuality, hit it 198
yards—a 29-yard lie of the mind.
Many conclusions can be drawn from
this data, but the hard lesson on this aspect:
The worse the players, the more they
kid themselves about how good (and long)
they are. Nobody, it seems, wants to admit
he drives the ball less than 200 yards. Succumbing
to self-delusion, it seems most
amateurs tend to equate their best drive
with their average drive".
You heard it here first
G_Mulligan
Tour Rookie
Tell it to Rory Mcilroy and ask him why he did not do what you advise at Augusta silly boy would have won. Not to mention the hundreds and hundreds of other players who have missed greens and failed to get up and down and lost a tournament.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
That's one hole completed, what about the other 17?
I could change your post a bit and say...
1 shot from the tee to the fairway
1 shot from the fairway to the green
1 putt
Where's the second putt?
But that would just make me look stupid...
