The app contact, tracing thoughts and faults

[nickjdavis]

The flaw I see it is that there is bound to be some cockwomble(s) who reports he has symptoms when he's simply got a common cold or even worse reports symptoms when there is absolutely nothing wrong with him out of pure malice.

A load of folks suddenly have to self isolate when there is no need.

 

[jim8flog]

And for the tin foil hat brigade, your phone is being tracked by most supermarkets and large shops already, they detect your Bluetooth when you enter a shop then map you round the store, this is how they then decided how to market, redesign etc. its completely non intrusive and nothing goes on your phone, they are just following a transmitter round, perfectly legal.

There is one difference between you and some like me , I only ever have bluetooth on when I need it same goes for location.

 

[Diamond]

If it is proven to help beat the virus and allows people to go about their life with less anxiety I am all for it.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I get the whole idea, but I don't see any way that those told to self isolate will not do so if they don't want to, just as those who feel the current lockdown and SD doesn't apply to them.

 

[GB72]

The flaw I see it is that there is bound to be some cockwomble(s) who reports he has symptoms when he's simply got a common cold or even worse reports symptoms when there is absolutely nothing wrong with him out of pure malice.

A load of folks suddenly have to self isolate when there is no need.

Guessing that the person is tested and if they get the all clear then the people that they have been in contact with are alerted that they can go out again.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Given there is nothing better on the table it has to be worth going with, at least for now. It'll be interesting to see how the IoW test goes although I do fear that the target demographic either won't have a mobile phone, know how to download the app, operate it with bluetooth or remember to have the phone on so fear the core information from the test may not be as good as it could be. Does that then impact how it rolls out further??

 

[chrisd]

Given there is nothing better on the table it has to be worth going with, at least for now. It'll be interesting to see how the IoW test goes although I do fear that the target demographic either won't have a mobile phone, know how to download the app, operate it with bluetooth or remember to have the phone on so fear the core information from the test may not be as good as it could be. Does that then impact how it rolls out further??

Bit of a slur on IoW residents - I've been there a few times in the last few years and I'd challenge your view of them

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Bit of a slur on IoW residents - I've been there a few times in the last few years and I'd challenge your view of them

So post #20 says something similar in the first paragraph but I'm casting a slur.

 

[chrisd]

So post #20 says something similar in the first paragraph but I'm casting a slur.

I haven't looked at post #20 - do you not think your post is a slur?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I haven't looked at post #20 - do you not think your post is a slur?

Perhaps you should rather than playing the poster. Someone says similar to me but are you picking fault with them? Thought not

 

[Blue in Munich]

The biggest issue i see is that the largest demographic of which people are affected by the virus, do not typically carry smartphones. Or if they do, they are most likely switched off to save the battery (like my dad)

Great idea in theory, however it not the sole solution, it must be used with a number of other measures.

I will be downloading it.

And for the tin foil hat brigade, your phone is being tracked by most supermarkets and large shops already, they detect your Bluetooth when you enter a shop then map you round the store, this is how they then decided how to market, redesign etc. its completely non intrusive and nothing goes on your phone, they are just following a transmitter round, perfectly legal.

Given there is nothing better on the table it has to be worth going with, at least for now. It'll be interesting to see how the IoW test goes although I do fear that the target demographic either won't have a mobile phone, know how to download the app, operate it with bluetooth or remember to have the phone on so fear the core information from the test may not be as good as it could be. Does that then impact how it rolls out further??

So post #20 says something similar in the first paragraph but I'm casting a slur.

Post #20 suggests that the target demographic either won't have a phone or will have it turned off; yours copies that but adds the comment that they won't know how to download the app or operate the Bluetooth. So it's quite easy to see an implied slur on their intelligence.

 

[chrisd]

Perhaps you should rather than playing the poster. Someone says similar to me but are you picking fault with them? Thought not

I saw your post and gave an opinion, I'd need to read 10,000 posts on Brexit before commenting on the 10,001'st post by your rules. You posted your view and that's what I saw and replied too - nothing to do with "playing the poster"

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Given there is nothing better on the table it has to be worth going with, at least for now. It'll be interesting to see how the IoW test goes although I do fear that the target demographic either won't have a mobile phone, know how to download the app, operate it with bluetooth or remember to have the phone on so fear the core information from the test may not be as good as it could be. Does that then impact how it rolls out further??

As I understand it, the trial in IOW is to see if the Bluetooth connections etc work. I.e , does the app work, as opposed to seeing how many on Island have the virus etc. I imagine some users will be chosen to report positive and then see if the app properly "clocked " their contacts ( who they made a note of who and where they contacted).
Once they find how well the app worked, then they'll decide whether or not to use it for real.

 

[Leftie]

So post #20 says something similar in the first paragraph but I'm casting a slur.

No Homer. Yet again you are showing your ageism. Whether it be technology, speed of play, etiquette, whatever, you always come out with the ageist slant. I've lost count of the number of times I've pulled you up on this.

"I do fear that the target demographic either won't have a mobile phone, know how to download the app, operate it with bluetooth or remember to have the phone on"

Yeh! Thanks for that. I'm well within the "target demographic" you mention yet, strangely, I do have a mobile phone (actually been using them since the late '80's when they were bricks) but it's not my constant companion, my security blanket. I choose when to have it on or in my pocket, choose when not to have location and bluetooth on unless I want them for a particular purpose (Waze, Spotify, and the like). It's my choice - I'm too old and experienced to follow the herd who may not know better. Like many of us old farts, I was brought up on the rapidly changing technology scene (I was programming probably before you were out of your nappies) and can actually see through all the hype. We're not all ready for the care home just yet

 

[pendodave]

The flaw I see it is that there is bound to be some cockwomble(s) who reports he has symptoms when he's simply got a common cold or even worse reports symptoms when there is absolutely nothing wrong with him out of pure malice.

A load of folks suddenly have to self isolate when there is no need.

I'm hoping that it only triggers when someone has actually tested positive. Otherwise, as you say, it'll be worse than useless.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I think the big problem is there is so much disinformation about it out there already. We need as many people as possible to use it and, rightly or wrongly, a large number of people will have their reservations. Everything I have read about it suggests that it captures location data and stores that data centrally. That'll discourage a lot of people. Matt Hancock flat out denied that this morning, he was very convincing. And yet, still everything else I've read or heard contradicts him. So, if he's right, the government needs to communicate that message much more clearly.

Our he could stop lying.....

 

[NearHull]

From BBC website - a reporter (Roy Cellan Jones ) who has been given early access to the the App.

.......
One thing I have learned is that the decision on when to send alerts isn't quite as simple as it's sometimes been described.
So it's not just a case of: if Jack was within 2m (6.6ft) of Jill for 15 minutes or longer, then send an alert if he gets ill.
Instead the app uses three metrics to work out a risk score:
■ the proximity of the devices
■ the length of time the phones continued to detect each other
■ how infectious the person with the coronavirus was judged to be, based on how close the meeting happened to when they noticed their symptoms
Furthermore, the score is calculated by taking into account all the risky interactions an app user has had over a period of two weeks, rather than just on one occasion.
Another discovery is that the developers have taken into account the fact some users will sometimes be wearing personal protective equipment.

edit. The PPE info is from the App user - very necessary for Health Workers who are deliberately in close contact with Corvid 19 patients.

 

[Wolf]

Given there is nothing better on the table it has to be worth going with, at least for now. It'll be interesting to see how the IoW test goes although I do fear that the target demographic either won't have a mobile phone, know how to download the app, operate it with bluetooth or remember to have the phone on so fear the core information from the test may not be as good as it could be. Does that then impact how it rolls out further??

Had this discussion with DfT about the Isle of Wight demographic, the ageist thing is a complete manifestation of opinion.

The average age on the Isle of Wight is 46 so I reckon they'll all be doing fine with knowing what to do, bit like my parents in their mid 70s with their iPhones and my wife's 92year old granddad who has been Facetiming her.

 

[Captainron]

We're not all ready for the care home just yet

How did you get out of your room?! Nurse! Nurse! He’s out again!

 

[Neilds]

I'm hoping that it only triggers when someone has actually tested positive. Otherwise, as you say, it'll be worse than useless.

The app doesn’t trigger anything unless the person actually reports a positive test. The app will then contact those who have been too close for too long. Yes, people can report falsely but this is down to the person not the app.
I think that this thread is spreading more fake news than most FB sites ?