That Miss...Fernando Torres

[Mungoscorner]

Cole should have walked,the position of the ball is irrelevant.Hvae a look at the tackle in slow mo,its horrendous.In all honesty,this video doesn't do it justice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znWT_K-EQj0

 

[TonyN]

Never a red card just a good solid tackle but hernandez was just too quick.

"Aw but Ref..... I got there as quick as I could....."

There was no intent therefore it should not of been a booking.

WHAT? So every foul that is made unintentionally goes or should go unpunished?

Charlie Adam clearly had no intent on fouling Scott Parker, his eyes were all over the ball and Parker came in from his blind side. He was just late and high. Should that not have been a second yellow? Should have he been allowed to play on?

I have seen more than the two examples I have quoted where referees have overturned a free kick. Another example was inside the box. A foul from a striker against a defender. Free kick had been given. Defender Stands up, kicks the ball at striker in frustration, is booked and the strikers team had an indirect free kick in the box.

I'm not saying these decisions are all made by the letter of the law, but the ref's decision is final and all that.

As for 'The ball was out of play' Thats the bottle gone!!!

 

[CMAC]

saw the title and thought "Cool, some totty"

shows you how much I know (or care) about footy.......


now, does she have a sister

 

[jammag]

Miss by Torres is unbelievable for a professional footballer. Especially after he had taking it round De Gea so confidently.

The Cole incident is a bit of a dodgy area. I believe its due to when the ball is dead then no foul can be given only punishment can be. For example pushing and shoving in the area when a corner is about to be taken. the ref can book a player but will not award a free kick or penalty due to the ball being dead.

In this unusual incident the fact it was so close to the line the time of the ball going out and the tackle coming in meant the ball was dead by the time contact was made. Luckily it made no impact on the games result.

 

[Robobum]

I don't think it is a tackle as such - he's just thrown himself in front of the ball in a last ditch effort to keep it out. It wasn't pretty though.

The "ball out of play" is a cop out, pure & simple. That baldie lino is a non league ref from down my way - shocking 100% of the time even with part time cloggers.

As for overturning free kicks - was it due to the jumpers becoming too spread out so you can't see whether it is a goal or not?? If you play on a real pitch with proper goal posts and a ref (qualified) that wouldn't happen!!

 

[Tiger]

Tony N on both your examples a second infringement was committed by the attacking team. The referee can penalise these infringements by awarding a free kick to the opposition thus negating the original decision. They are not overturning the original decision just making a new one. The first is for dissent the second I think would be for unsporting play.

The incident that occurred with Hernandez is similar to an attacking player being fouled, the ref blows his whistle to award the freekick/penalty, simultaneously the ball breaks to another attacker who scores just after tfe whistle. The goal does not stand as the ball was 'dead' when the ref blew his whistle.

 

[bladeplayer]

Never a red card just a good solid tackle but hernandez was just too quick.

"Aw but Ref..... I got there as quick as I could....."

There was no intent therefore it should not of been a booking.

QUESTION .. The keeper as last man comes out for a 50/50 ball forward knocks it by him & they collide , whats going to happen ?? guranteed the keeper is going off .. no intention but still walking , this bulldung that if the ref deals with it (yellow card) then no further action can be taken , the ref should review that if not intentional then totaly reckless challange that could end a players season

 

[slugger]

here's the foul here

http://fullhighlights.blogspot.com/2011/09/video-ashley-cole-tackle-on-hernandez.html

should have been red carded for that... ref was making excuses! Ashley Cole has made some horrendous challenges in his career. numpty.

 

[Tiger]

Sorry guys looked at the slow motion replay and Cole is trying to block a shot and is throwing his body in the way. His appeal is because it wasn't a tackle (still a bad challenge and deserving of a yellow card). The impact is caused by both players' forward momentum. Yes it was reckless but I think Dowd got it spot on.

 

[TonyN]

Tony N on both your examples a second infringement was committed by the attacking team. The referee can penalise these infringements by awarding a free kick to the opposition thus negating the original decision. They are not overturning the original decision just making a new one. The first is for dissent the second I think would be for unsporting play.

The incident that occurred with Hernandez is similar to an attacking player being fouled, the ref blows his whistle to award the freekick/penalty, simultaneously the ball breaks to another attacker who scores just after tfe whistle. The goal does not stand as the ball was 'dead' when the ref blew his whistle.

Yes, this sounds about right, I guess 'turned over' wasn't the best of phrases to use. My point was though, the ball was dead, and the ref has still given a free kick. So there fore the infringemt on Hernandez could also have been given, only its inside the box, so the free kick becomes a penalty, no?

I understand its never going to happen, but it should.

 

[Tiger]

No because the ball had been put out of play by the attacking team. Generally the rules of football favour the defending side. Once Hernandez missed the target the referee has no choice but to award a goal kick. If the incident had occurred outside the box the decision would have been the same.

I feel sorry for football officials. So many armchair critics and when they get a decision like this spot on they still get lambasted.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Never a red card just a good solid tackle but hernandez was just too quick.

"Aw but Ref..... I got there as quick as I could....."

There was no intent therefore it should not of been a booking.

QUESTION .. The keeper as last man comes out for a 50/50 ball forward knocks it by him & they collide , whats going to happen ?? guranteed the keeper is going off .. no intention but still walking , this bulldung that if the ref deals with it (yellow card) then no further action can be taken , the ref should review that if not intentional then totaly reckless challange that could end a players season

Guess you didn't see Schwarzer's challenge on Hoylett last week. Even as a Fulham fan and with us trying to hold on I thought he was destined to go.

I actually thought not only did Dowd get the decision right with Cole but he acted in a very calm and efficient manner and managed to diffuse a potential sparking point very well

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Never a red card just a good solid tackle but hernandez was just too quick.

"Aw but Ref..... I got there as quick as I could....."

There was no intent therefore it should not of been a booking.

WHAT? So every foul that is made unintentionally goes or should go unpunished?

Charlie Adam clearly had no intent on fouling Scott Parker, his eyes were all over the ball and Parker came in from his blind side. He was just late and high. Should that not have been a second yellow? Should have he been allowed to play on?

I support liverpol and i'm not a big fan of Charlie Adam but his 2nd yellow card for me was harsh. He was looking at the ball all the time so for me no it should not have been a yellow card, a foul possibly.

Unfortunately i think refs are too quick to book people for silly little fouls so when an incident like charlie adam's happens there's no benefit of the doubt.

Persistant fouling doesn't exist no more because refs are too card happy.

Take liverpool v Spurs for example, lpool made 8 fouls and got 6 bookings spurs made 10 fouls no bookings, if you watched that game you'd know it wasn't a dirty game. Skrtel's 2nd card was a stupid tackle and deserved but the other 5 were a joke.
I'm not moaning or blaming the ref for us getting beat, we were crap and deserved to get beat.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Never a red card just a good solid tackle but hernandez was just too quick.

"Aw but Ref..... I got there as quick as I could....."

There was no intent therefore it should not of been a booking.

QUESTION .. The keeper as last man comes out for a 50/50 ball forward knocks it by him & they collide , whats going to happen ?? guranteed the keeper is going off .. no intention but still walking , this bulldung that if the ref deals with it (yellow card) then no further action can be taken , the ref should review that if not intentional then totaly reckless challange that could end a players season

Guess you didn't see Schwarzer's challenge on Hoylett last week. Even as a Fulham fan and with us trying to hold on I thought he was destined to go.

I actually thought not only did Dowd get the decision right with Cole but he acted in a very calm and efficient manner and managed to diffuse a potential sparking point very well

That scenario is completely different to what we're talking about here.

The last man scenario doesn't exsist, it's denying a goal scoring oppurtunnity.

I started standing on the Kop in the 80's and their was great tackles week in week out that if we witnessed them now we'd see more games abandend that finishing. I can't remember many tackles ending players careers/seasons.

 

[Tiger]

Different age Stuart and different builds. The modern day equivalent of Kevin Keegan is Luis Suarez. Quicker, nimbler, lighter players more susceptible to breaks and impact injuries from centre halves who are the same size as yesteryear but much fitter and quicker.

 

[bladeplayer]

Never a red card just a good solid tackle but hernandez was just too quick.

"Aw but Ref..... I got there as quick as I could....."

There was no intent therefore it should not of been a booking.

QUESTION .. The keeper as last man comes out for a 50/50 ball forward knocks it by him & they collide , whats going to happen ?? guranteed the keeper is going off .. no intention but still walking , this bulldung that if the ref deals with it (yellow card) then no further action can be taken , the ref should review that if not intentional then totaly reckless challange that could end a players season

Guess you didn't see Schwarzer's challenge on Hoylett last week. Even as a Fulham fan and with us trying to hold on I thought he was destined to go.

I actually thought not only did Dowd get the decision right with Cole but he acted in a very calm and efficient manner and managed to diffuse a potential sparking point very well

I think the difference here was they were both in the air at time of contact,i thought yellow was correct here to be honest , cole dived in studs up , seriously tho do you think coles challange didnt deserve red i thought it was a stonewall red. not saying im right & your wrong just my thought on it.

 

[chris661]

Never a red card just a good solid tackle but hernandez was just too quick.

"Aw but Ref..... I got there as quick as I could....."

There was no intent therefore it should not of been a booking.

QUESTION .. The keeper as last man comes out for a 50/50 ball forward knocks it by him & they collide , whats going to happen ?? guranteed the keeper is going off .. no intention but still walking , this bulldung that if the ref deals with it (yellow card) then no further action can be taken , the ref should review that if not intentional then totaly reckless challange that could end a players season

Guess you didn't see Schwarzer's challenge on Hoylett last week. Even as a Fulham fan and with us trying to hold on I thought he was destined to go.

I actually thought not only did Dowd get the decision right with Cole but he acted in a very calm and efficient manner and managed to diffuse a potential sparking point very well

I think the difference here was they were both in the air at time of contact,i thought yellow was correct here to be honest , cole dived in studs up , seriously tho do you think coles challange didnt deserve red i thought it was a stonewall red. not saying im right & your wrong just my thought on it.

c-c-c-combo breaker

 

[TonyN]

Never a red card just a good solid tackle but hernandez was just too quick.

"Aw but Ref..... I got there as quick as I could....."

There was no intent therefore it should not of been a booking.

WHAT? So every foul that is made unintentionally goes or should go unpunished?

Charlie Adam clearly had no intent on fouling Scott Parker, his eyes were all over the ball and Parker came in from his blind side. He was just late and high. Should that not have been a second yellow? Should have he been allowed to play on?

I support liverpol and i'm not a big fan of Charlie Adam but his 2nd yellow card for me was harsh. He was looking at the ball all the time so for me no it should not have been a yellow card, a foul possibly.

Unfortunately i think refs are too quick to book people for silly little fouls so when an incident like charlie adam's happens there's no benefit of the doubt.

Persistant fouling doesn't exist no more because refs are too card happy.

Take liverpool v Spurs for example, lpool made 8 fouls and got 6 bookings spurs made 10 fouls no bookings, if you watched that game you'd know it wasn't a dirty game. Skrtel's 2nd card was a stupid tackle and deserved but the other 5 were a joke.
I'm not moaning or blaming the ref for us getting beat, we were crap and deserved to get beat.

Stu, I watched the game, start to finish. I agree the ref was card happy. I said to my mate, there will be atleast one sending off if he carrys on producing cards at this rate of knots.

But I disagree, Adams is a yellow all day, everyday. I know there was no intent, but it was high, stoods up and he made contact. He was just unfortunate, but its still a booking.

If that was to go unpunished, it sets a bench mark.

 

[Kellfire]

Adam's never a booking? It was a straight red if ever there was one! High, studs up... very dangerous.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Adam's never a booking? It was a straight red if ever there was one! High, studs up... very dangerous.

The ball was in the air how else are you supposed to control/win a ball in the air without putting your foot high?

TonyN, You say if the ref let's it go he sets the benchmark for others, the refereeing in the our league is as inconsistant as Homers swing!

I'll stand by my opinion on Adam's 2nd booking on the basis of no intent.

Sorry Homer