Tee ball

[Leereed]

Hi all
a quick one by not declaring the second tee ball as a provisional the second ball is one in play even if you find the first.
Thanks

 

[bobmac]

Hi all
a quick one by not declaring the second tee ball as a provisional the second ball is one in play even if you find the first.
Thanks

Are you asking us or telling us?

 

[Leereed]

Are you asking us or telling us?

Asking as playing partners think I have gone around the bend.

 

[bobmac]

Asking as playing partners think I have gone around the bend.

What were they saying?

 

[bobmac]

[FONT=&quot]Golf Rules Explained: Provisional Ball (Rule 27-2)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The provisional ball Rule is one of the most useful Rules in the book. If, after playing a shot, you think your ball may be lost (outside a water hazard) or out of bounds you should play a provisional ball. The purpose of the Rule is to save time, hence the player must inform his opponent, marker or fellow-competitor that he intends to play a provisional ball, and he must play it before he goes forward to search for the original ball.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]If the player fails to do so and he plays another ball, that ball is not a provisional ball; instead it becomes the ball in play under penalty of stroke and distance (Rule 27-1) and the original ball is lost.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]
Read more at http://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/videos/rules/golf-rules-explained-provisional-ball#OchMdFKeiajIhV7M.99[/FONT]

 

[oltimer]

Asking as playing partners think I have gone around the bend.

10.00 hcap - As I keep telling those new to the game, a players handicap is an indication of his ball striking capabilities not his knowledge of the rules, such questions explain next years changes to the rules.

 

[Leereed]

What were they saying?

They were saying I was wrong.I was saying if you don’t say it’s a provisional on the tee then it’s the ball in play even if you find the original tee ball.All played way longer than me.
Thanks for the replies

 

[chrisd]

They were saying I was wrong.I was saying if you don’t say it’s a provisional on the tee then it’s the ball in play even if you find the original tee ball.All played way longer than me.
Thanks for the replies

You need to tell them that by not declaring the provisional it would effectively give them a choice of which ball to play if they found their first ball, and that can't be right.

 

[jusme]

They were saying I was wrong.I was saying if you don’t say it’s a provisional on the tee then it’s the ball in play even if you find the original tee ball.All played way longer than me.
Thanks for the replies

You have told them. If they don't believe you wait till they do it again and tell them the rule again. If they ignore add the penalty and move one. Once done they will learn quicker and not do again. Nothing more frustrating than those gaining advantage from ignoring rules. Stand your ground

 

[Leereed]

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Foxholer]

Asking as playing partners think I have gone around the bend.

Playing Partners?

Or Fellow Competitors?

No, you are not going round the bend! But always a good idea to be pro-active and ensure that FCs (or PPs!) don't suffer the consequences of not declaring a ball 'Provisional' - by confirming that that is the case! There's no penalty for doing so, and, I believe, you should always do so - even in a Match!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Playing Partners?

Or Fellow Competitors?

No, you are not going round the bend! But always a good idea to be pro-active and ensure that FCs (or PPs!) don't suffer the consequences of not declaring a ball 'Provisional' - by confirming that that is the case! There's no penalty for doing so, and, I believe, you should always do so - even in a Match!

...and unless the player whose tee shot looks dodgy to find is ACTUALLY your Playing Playing - then don't suggest the player plays a provisional - and if asked 'should I play a provisional?' the answer is 'up to you' without any 'I would if I were you' or similar comment

 

[rulefan]

...and unless the player whose tee shot looks dodgy to find is ACTUALLY your Playing Playing - then don't suggest the player plays a provisional - and if asked 'should I play a provisional?' the answer is 'up to you' without any 'I would if I were you' or similar comment

I assume you meant 'Partner'

But this Q & A I had from the R&A

Q. Is it considered to be giving advice to suggest to a player that he should play a provisional ball?

A. Thankfully, we would not see statements of this nature to be advice.
The statement should be of a casual nature, such as: "Maybe you should hit a provisional", rather than counsel which could influence a player in determining his play.
"I'd call it a provisional if I were you" is close to the wind but, perhaps in the context of the player saying he is going to play another ball, it is just clarification as to the status of the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] ball. There comes a time though when it becomes advice.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I assume you meant 'Partner'

But this Q & A I had from the R&A

Q. Is it considered to be giving advice to suggest to a player that he should play a provisional ball?

A. Thankfully, we would not see statements of this nature to be advice.
The statement should be of a casual nature, such as: "Maybe you should hit a provisional", rather than counsel which could influence a player in determining his play.
"I'd call it a provisional if I were you" is close to the wind but, perhaps in the context of the player saying he is going to play another ball, it is just clarification as to the status of the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] ball. There comes a time though when it becomes advice.

Yes I did - spotted sir! And interesting the feedback you got and I can see why it's OK. I might - unprompted - say to a player that his ball looks to have gone into a pretty horrid place and ask if he might want to think about what to do - maybe worth playing a provisional - just in case. In fact I'm probably too conservative - probably wrong - in my reply because it does seem sensible that prompting a player to put a provisional into play is a good thing - to save everyone time were he to have to go back to the tee.

Suggesting that he puts a new ball in play rather than just suggest he plays a provisional seems to cross the line?

 

[rulefan]

Suggesting that he puts a new ball in play rather than just suggest he plays a provisional seems to cross the line?

Yes, that would be much the same as suggesting a player takes an unplayable lie. Advice.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes, that would be much the same as suggesting a player takes an unplayable lie. Advice.

Advice indeed