Tactical or is it even legal or am I reading too much into it?

Even if the shot calculation did change, I'm not sure how him playing on his own could even be thought of as tactical when it's two v one? You might have been giving him a shot but you're still giving your partner 6
 
your missing the point of the stroke index, the higher the index of the hole, the easier that hole should be [according to the stats], and the more shots the high man gets will be given at them . and should be easier for a high handicap to win. the harder holes with the lower index the high man should hope to halve with his stroke. On my course the s.i odd numbers are on the front nine even on numbers the back nine, most courses are that way , unless someone knows different, some are vice versa
 
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williamalex1 said:
your missing the point of the stroke index, the higher the index of the hole, the easier that hole should be [according to the stats], and the more shots the high man gets will be given at them . and should be easier for a high handicap to win. the harder holes with the lower index the high man should hope to halve with his stroke. On my course the s.i odd numbers are on the front nine even on numbers the back nine, most courses are that way , unless someone knows different
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You are missing the point of how SIs are allocated. CONGU have steadfastly stuck to their view that the difficulty or otherwise of playing the hole to par should not be the reason for allocating the SI. They have now pulled back slightly by saying it could be a factor if all the other factors they list are implemented. e.g. no two SIs from 1 to 6 on adjacent holes, none of 1 to 8 on first or last hole etc. etc..
 
beg to differ, the hardest hole should be stroke index 1, easyiest being stroke index 18. index hasn't changed at my club in 20 years , maybe it should have because some holes have been altered. cheers
 
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The fact is that, right or wrong, a huge number of clubs allocate SI based on difficulty.
Our SI 1 and 2 are, by some margin, the hardest holes on the course.
 
Imurg said:
The fact is that, right or wrong, a huge number of clubs allocate SI based on difficulty.
Our SI 1 and 2 are, by some margin, the hardest holes on the course.
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As I said before, CONGU are happy to take difficulty into account provided the other factors are used. If you were getting 3 shots in singles matchplay, you wouldn't want SIs 1, 2 and 3 to be on the last 3 holes if they happened to be the 3 most difficult, would you.
 
don't wish to hijack this thread but similar has happened to me to-day,playing in the singles knockout at my new club,game was supposed to be to-morrow at 10-30 but got a call this morning from the guy i'm playing asking if we could play to-day as something had come up,no problems for me so said yes and supposed to be playing at 3-30,i have just found out the chap is playing in a comp at the club to-day,am i right in thinking you cant practice on the boundaries of the course prior to playing a stroke play comp.and would i be in the right to re-fuse or claim the game,don't wish to be called names as i have only been a member 1 month.
 
6inchcup said:
don't wish to hijack this thread but similar has happened to me to-day,playing in the singles knockout at my new club,game was supposed to be to-morrow at 10-30 but got a call this morning from the guy i'm playing asking if we could play to-day as something had come up,no problems for me so said yes and supposed to be playing at 3-30,i have just found out the chap is playing in a comp at the club to-day,am i right in thinking you cant practice on the boundaries of the course prior to playing a stroke play comp.and would i be in the right to re-fuse or claim the game,don't wish to be called names as i have only been a member 1 month.
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Your singles knockout has got to be matchplay, I assume. He is entitled under the rules of golf to practise on the course on the day of the match prior to the match.
 
rosecott said:
As I said before, CONGU are happy to take difficulty into account provided the other factors are used. If you were getting 3 shots in singles matchplay, you wouldn't want SIs 1, 2 and 3 to be on the last 3 holes if they happened to be the 3 most difficult, would you.
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Obviously not but, as it stands, I have to give shots on the hardest holes on the course.
Would it not be reasonable that, on the holes I give shots, I should have at least an outside chance of a birdie in order to halve the hole against a par..?
SI 1 hole - 8 pars in 38 attempts
SI 2 hole - 12 pars in 38 attempts
this year... Not even close to a birdie on either.
If a 5 handicapper can par these then a 7 handicapper shouldn't be very far behind. Funnily enough, SI 2 hole (16th) is where I've lost matches recently - par to a par (nett birdie)....

Anyway - I hate Matchplay

And I bet the "other factors" hardly ever enter the equation too.......
 
that situation can never happen, the reason odd s.i. numbers and even numbered s.i.numbers are on different nines, strokes 1 and 2 can't come together unless stroke one is at hole 9th and two is at the 10th
 
williamalex1 said:
that situation can never happen, the reason odd s.i. numbers and even numbered s.i.numbers are on different nines, strokes 1 and 2 can't come together unless stroke one is at hole 9th and two is at the 10th
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All you are saying is that your happy to implement one of the congu recommendations but not happy to say that difficulty is not the important thing in deciding the highest SI.
 
williamalex1 said:
your missing the point of the stroke index, the higher the index of the hole, the easier that hole should be [according to the stats], and the more shots the high man gets will be given at them . and should be easier for a high handicap to win. the harder holes with the lower index the high man should hope to halve with his stroke. On my course the s.i odd numbers are on the front nine even on numbers the back nine, most courses are that way , unless someone knows different, some are vice versa
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I don't think I'm missing the point of anything, the fact is anyone who makes a tactical decision to send a 16 handicapper on his own to a betterball match, particularly one where is is giving away shots, wouldn't exactly be described as a tactical genius. Regardless of SI (which by the way shouldn't be based on difficulty but that's another argument) a 15 h'cap and a 23 h'cap should beat a 16 h'cap.
 
6inchcup said:
don't wish to hijack this thread but similar has happened to me to-day,playing in the singles knockout at my new club,game was supposed to be to-morrow at 10-30 but got a call this morning from the guy i'm playing asking if we could play to-day as something had come up,no problems for me so said yes and supposed to be playing at 3-30,i have just found out the chap is playing in a comp at the club to-day,am i right in thinking you cant practice on the boundaries of the course prior to playing a stroke play comp.and would i be in the right to re-fuse or claim the game,don't wish to be called names as i have only been a member
month.
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You are correct in that you cannot practice on the course prior to a Strokeplay comp but it is ok to do so before playing matchplay so if you've agreed to change the date then all is fine
 
williamalex1 said:
the reason odd s.i. numbers and even numbered s.i.numbers are on different nines
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Never knew this was the case... Is this a rule because I've got a scorecard in front of me that doesn't follow this convention?


In fact, the very same card has the SI 3, 4 and 5 in a row!
 
Kellfire said:
Never knew this was the case... Is this a rule because I've got a scorecard in front of me that doesn't follow this convention?


In fact, the very same card has the SI 3, 4 and 5 in a row!
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Blame your club/committee for not doing their homework.
 
rosecott said:
Blame your club/committee for not doing their homework.
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Not my club thankfully, my home club is nine holes and has done the lazy thing of allocating the SI 1 the first time around as the SI 10 the next and so on so it does observe the odd/even split convention.

It's hopefully being redone this year.
 
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