Swing smoother, hit further!
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Now that WOULD be different. There is almost certainly more mass moving, so the MOMENTUM will be different!
But the equivalent scenario - the 8 stone wimp and the 20 stoner (or even an Iron Byron) middling a shot with a Driver whose head is travelling at 100mph will achieve the same distance (other attributes - AofA, swing path etc - also being the same!). Swinging simply - or simply swinging! - and letting all the energy transfer to the clubhead - is definitely the optimum method, providing the maximum clubhead speed! That's what Rod White's article concludes and both he and Delc
appear to be reaping the benefit!White's paper has been published in sufficient academic journals (see his references) and for sufficient time for it to be critiqued by peers (and perhaps betters). You might also recognise some of his references (and diagrams/animation)! Tutelman himself has a pretty impressive CV wrt the likelihood of identifying any error! Unless you can actually prove otherwise, please accept that White is correct!
I'm convinced that our most efficient swings are when we simply let the swing happen, something I believe I'm pretty good at - if at a slower speed than the likes of Freddy Couples, Sergio, Ernie etc!
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pokerjoke
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Since changing to a smoother swing I am consistently scoring in the low 80's and had a 78. My driving distance has gone up from about 210 yards to about 250 yards, but the biggest improvement is in my iron play, where I am hitting each club about 20 yards further and generally much cleaner and straighter. Golf almost (but not quite) seems like an easy game again!
Your driving distance has gone up 20% and you still think your iron play is the biggest improvement.
No disrespect Delc but this is all rather baffling to be honest as with this type of significant improvement I would expect to see lower scores leading to a rather large handicap improvement.
garyinderry
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Two minutes on a launch monitor could prove If he really has gained the distance he thinks he has.
It's always 'about' 20 yards.
One thing is for certain. Most times people over estimate how far they hit the ball.
Be nice to see numbers for this smooth swing against his old swing.
It's always 'about' 20 yards.
One thing is for certain. Most times people over estimate how far they hit the ball.
Be nice to see numbers for this smooth swing against his old swing.
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Since changing to a smoother swing I am consistently scoring in the low 80's and had a 78. My driving distance has gone up from about 210 yards to about 250 yards, but the biggest improvement is in my iron play, where I am hitting each club about 20 yards further and generally much cleaner and straighter. Golf almost (but not quite) seems like an easy game again!
Oh please, Driving distance from 210 to 250 (average), would mean about at least a 10mph(depending on hardness of fairways) increase in swingspeed or equivalent better ball hit strike on each and every shot.
Also your 8 iron you said in a previous post now goes 150 yards from 120 yards but now you say about 20 yards further, I am confused. But this still means more than 10mph increase.
If you hit your 8 iron 150 yards(assuming mainly carry distance), then that is long for an 8 iron, therefore you would expect your driver to go further than 250 with roll, as 250 is not long at this time of year.
I think it is down mainly to summer conditions. For instance I can chase a 7 iron out to 175 in summer, but in early spring when no roll I hit it about 155 carry.
Someone who hits it short and has a good short game, should always see an improvement in scores during summer and confidence is a wonderful thing.
I do think it is funny that some people think a large man swinging at 100mph, will hit it further than a small guy swinging at 100mph. :rofl:
The max club to ball speed allowed is 1.5 IIRC, where does the large man and small man come in that sentence or the rules.
Three
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If the golf clubhead hits the ball at 100mph, it doesn't make any difference if the person holding the other end is a 12 yr old girl or Mike Tyson.
the_coach
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A large man will almost certainly have larger arm muscles than a small one! This will make it easier for him to swing faster without using any of the other, more technical, ways to produce clubhead speed that smaller folk need to use - to get the same clubhead speed. Compare Lee Westwood (89Kg) with Andy Sullivan (72Kg) and Matt Fitzgerald (65Kg). They are all within a few yards for driving stats (Sullivan is actually the longest). Rory (73Kg) has actually 'got shorter', according to the stats, in 2016, but is still longer on average than all the above! So it's not body mass that is the dominant contributor to distance - at least, not at Pro level! - otherwise Westwood's 20% 'advantage' would be telling!
At Club/Hacker level however....The ease of bigger guys, with bigger arm muscles, to swing faster CAN be telling. But how often have any/all of us watched in awe as the weedy Junior's fluid swing smacks the ball 50+ yards further than we would even contemplate!
Clubhead Speed of a centred strike is the only stat that matters wrt distance. Body mass is irrelevant - except providing the ability to use more powerful muscles to swing faster!
Accelerating through impact is a good swing thought, but has infinitesimal effect! Actively using wrist torque to produce more speed is more likely to produce less speed!
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The best tip I got for improving my distance was from a video clip earlier on in this thread, where the importance of keeping a constant grip pressure through the swing was emphasised. If you do that it is quite easy to swing smoothly, and not, as it where, get in your own way. I really seem to be able to whip the club through impact really fast now. By the way, my handicap has already come down from 13 to 11, with at least a potential for more cuts, as I am averaging about 81 shots per round at the moment.
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pokerjoke
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Has your handicap come down after you started this thread or was it before?
I was replying to your post where your driver had increased by 20% but your irons were better.
If all your boasts are true then I would be expecting a 2 shot drop in handicap rather sooner than later.
Since! I have played in two comps since making the change. First was a Seniors Medal when I shot a nett 71 off 13, which was 3 under the CSS, and then in a Bogey-Par playing off 12 I shot a 6 up on the course, actually a gross 78. 😀
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pokerjoke
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So you shot 84/71 when you were a 13 handicap and got a cut to 12 on the 14/7 2016.
The womens golf where you got the inspiration of hitting it smoother was on the 28/7/2016 at Woburn as you stated.
You started this thread on the 01/8 2016.
I ask you if you got a cut after you posted the thread and you answer yes but the story doesn't add up.
Do you want to change your answer?
In answer to Pokerjoke, I also went to watch the Qualifying event for the US Women's Open at the Buckinghamshire, and we had a couple of LET pro golfers in attendance at our Captain's day. Does it really matter anyway? I have found something that helps my golf, and may help other forum members!
Foxholer
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:rofl:
This month's 'Foxholer Award for BS Detection' ! :clap:
@Delc No it doesn't really matter - except perhaps to your reputation (h'mm!
). Pleased that you have found something that has improved your Golf!
Crow
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pokerjoke
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Get a life man!
Your probably right but I cant stand BS trying to fabricate a story to make it sound better to others so to me it does matter I suppose.
What is really nice is that I can now reach a 400 yard par-4 with something like a driver and an 8 iron or less, whereas before I often needed a driver and a fairway wood or hybrid to even get anywhere close to the green. This makes such a difference! 😀
SocketRocket
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Thatchers makes things matter less.
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I'm sorry but stop this - you can't go from not being able to get it past 210 and constantly going on about not being long enough for your course and your HC etc etc to now hitting drives over 250 and 8 irons 150 plus !! All because you swing smoother ?!? I haven't read all the maths rubbish but Darren had it spot on in regards how quick your swing speed would have to improve !!
I expect you are currently getting a little bit more roll during the hard ground summer season and that's it
SocketRocket
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Smoother doesn't necessarily mean slower. You can swing smooth and gradually increase speed so that at impact you are creating better ball compression, a good swing creates maximum speed just after impact and to do that you need good tempo. Why do so many suggest Delc is not telling the truth, swinging our of your socks can create all kinds of poor impact conditions and inefficiency. Effortless Power beats Powerless Effort.
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