Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
If a member has been suspended for a disciplinary issue at a golf club do you think their HC should be frozen to stop them entering Opens and also putting in GP cards etc
Suspended Member - HC freeze/suspension
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Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
I guess it depends on the infringement....
A golfing matter like manipulation or cheating I would say yes
A personal matter like a punch up then probably not..
A golfing matter like manipulation or cheating I would say yes
A personal matter like a punch up then probably not..
irip
Head Pro
I’m not sure what power the club has to stop them from putting cards in, would this be a county or England golf decision?
Obviously the club can ban them from their course/clubhouse but don’t think they can stop them from playing other courses
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Can suspend their HC which would stop them putting in any GP scores and entering Opens
RichA
Well-known member
If you were arrested tomorrow for drink driving then you would still be allowed to drive during the weeks or months until the court appearance where your driving ban was given.
I realise that these things are totally different, but I don’t see why the usage of a golf handicap would be considered more important than usage of a driving licence.
I realise that these things are totally different, but I don’t see why the usage of a golf handicap would be considered more important than usage of a driving licence.
D-S
Well-known member
Freezing a handicap just means that for the period of the ‘freeze’ it doesn’t go up or down but the handicap is ‘active’. At the end of the freeze the computer calculates the scores put in over the period and a new level is given.
What you are talking about here is withdrawing a handicap, a serious sanction normally to do with golf issues. You of course could make the decision to suspend his playing privileges and access to the course or a ban from competitions (again this is normally for golf infractions).
What you are talking about here is withdrawing a handicap, a serious sanction normally to do with golf issues. You of course could make the decision to suspend his playing privileges and access to the course or a ban from competitions (again this is normally for golf infractions).
irip
Head Pro
Are they allowed to do that without permission first?
I think they would need to be careful although obviously it depends on the suspension reasons and if all protocols have been followed but I could see the club being sued if the member was unhappy about everything and it could turn nasty
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Yes a club can suspend a members HC , don’t need to ask permission
irip
Head Pro
Is that different to freezing it?
I have no idea which why I’m asking questions rather than quoting facts or rules
D-S
Well-known member
Withdraw.
D-S
Well-known member
See post #6
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Yeah
Neilds
Assistant Pro
This is a very ambiguous post. Does AW mean suspension/withdrawal of the handicap or merely freezing it? Totally different things. Also, has the disciplinary matter been proven or is it still under investigation? Is it a golfing issue or more of a behavioural thing? Unless these points are confirmed, then we are just guessing.
sjw
Well-known member
Why don't you offer up the actual issue? I'd be willing to bet pretty good money that it's not something that should mean they're banned from playing golf in a competitive manner across the entire country.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Doesn’t matter what the issue was - someone was banned from the club for 6 months due to an incident
The club they are banned from ultimately administer their HC for them etc
Effectively their membership is suspended
So the HC imo should be suspended unless they go and becoming an Igolf member for example
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
I don’t agree with that especially when there is no context. If they’re banned for cheating pending looking into their on course actions then fair enough. If they’re banned for nothing to do with cheating or scoring anomalies and it’s to do with personal conduct in the clubhouse or behaviour toward other members then imo the club should not be allowed to suspend the handicap as they’re preventing that person playing competitive golf elsewhere which is their right to do so.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Previous Congu rules allowed clubs to suspend HC’s due to disciplinary issues resulting in suspension of memberships
“conducted himself in a manner prejudicial to the interests of his Union, Area Authority or Home Club or to the Game of Golf”
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
Previous CONGU rules are irrelevant. What matters are the rules now we don’t live in the past, it’s all well and good posting such a comment but imo you’re looking for clickbait. There zero context to this thread therefore nobody is going to give a definitive answer without you coming back repeating such things.
I stand by my point if they’ve committed an action of cheating or scoring anomalies under WHS then yes suspend the handicap to protect the fields at all clubs and comps. If the banned person has committed actions against the club or persons at the club and nothing against the rules of golf then the handicap shouldn’t be suspended as people should still be free to play elsewhere regardless of what’s going on at their club, to do anything else is just bitterness of the club and its membership.
Unless you’re going to actually give context instead of quoting past rules by previous handicap administrators or saying things like it’s doesn’t matter then you’re not going to get much in the way of agreement. But perhaps that’s what you want !!
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sjw
Well-known member
I guess I'm struggling to understand why it matters to you what happens. It's coming across as a little spiteful, did they wrong you personally?
YandaB
Newbie
G1.4a of the EG Guidance starts with:
"To gain a WHS Handicap Index in GB&I a player must either join a Club affiliated to a National
Union or by affiliating directly with their National Union."
Does that necessarily mean that if you leave a club, even temporarily, I'm not sure. Certainly when players leave our club without joining a new one, then their handicap will no longer be valid for opens etc.
"To gain a WHS Handicap Index in GB&I a player must either join a Club affiliated to a National
Union or by affiliating directly with their National Union."
Does that necessarily mean that if you leave a club, even temporarily, I'm not sure. Certainly when players leave our club without joining a new one, then their handicap will no longer be valid for opens etc.
