Straight Draw / Straight Fade

Who really gives a s@&t what they are called.

Can call it - pink fluffy big bad boy hook - it's still the same shot.
 
I do. I was just wondering why anyone else would want to know... specifically Virtuocity in this instance.

Maybe he wants to know for the same reason as you.....whatever that reason may be.
 
It appears someone is a bit obsessed with the golf swing.

Even the ugliest worst golf swing in the world can produce the desired ball flight.
 
I go with whether the ball flight is intentional or not.

If the ball curve is intentional, ie. you truly meant to do it, then it's a draw or fade.

If it's unintentional and undesirable, ie. you didn't mean to do it, then it's a hook or slice.

It's all about your own beliefs, but I consider a hook to be an unwanted curve to the left, and a draw, a planned curve to the left, and vice versa. But like Jack Nicklaus said: ''a perfectly straight shot with a long club is a fluke'' :D

I must hit a lot of fluky shots.
 
it is practically impossible to hit the ball straight every single time. the whole aim is to control the amount of movement either way to hit an intended target!


it doesn't matter a jot how much you move it as long as it finishes where you want it to go! the straighter the better I suppose!

the worst thing you can do in my opinion is try to hit it one way and have the ball go in the opposite direction. if this is limited ,the result wont be too bad. once these are a good bit out, you are in trouble.
 
I go with whether the ball flight is intentional or not.

If the ball curve is intentional, ie. you truly meant to do it, then it's a draw or fade.

If it's unintentional and undesirable, ie. you didn't mean to do it, then it's a hook or slice.

It's all about your own beliefs, but I consider a hook to be an unwanted curve to the left, and a draw, a planned curve to the left, and vice versa. But like Jack Nicklaus said: ''a perfectly straight shot with a long club is a fluke'' :D

That's an interest interpretation but I can't agree with it.
 
I do. I was just wondering why anyone else would want to know... specifically Virtuocity in this instance.

I was playing with a guy who had been fighting a vicious slice (started right, went high right) and he said he was soon to snap his driver over his knee :blah:

Anyhoo, I asked him why he doesn't just choose to hook the ball instead and he laughed saying that he would never be able to achieve that kind of shot shape. So, as the course was empty I told him to aim his body to one o'clock and the clubface at 12 o'clock (middle of fairway). My rationale for this is that in order to achieve a draw (enter James), face has to be slightly open to target and path has to the right of the face. I would normally have advised to set the face a little open but as I believed that his standard shot featured a very open driver face at impact, the 12 o'clock position offset that. I then told him to swing along his toe line.

He managed well and unloaded his bag of balls. EVERY ONE started "straight" i.e. in line with his feet/body alignment. Every shot spun from right to left. We're talking 10 balls or so which hit the fairway. Some finished right of the fairway, most just left of the fairway and lots in the middle. However, as someone who is used to searching for balls on the WRONG fairway (like me :confused:), he was less enthused about dispersion and more delighted that his WORST of the ten balls was 15 yards longer than his usual drive.

As an aside- I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on the above.

Back on topic, we then got talking about what the shot shape of those drives were. I called them a draw as they started out right of the target and spun back towards target.

He said that they were hooks, as they started straight of where the body was aligned and finished very left of where the body was aligned.

So- there ya are folks- it was INDEED as boring as you thought.
 
As an aside- I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on the above.

The logic in your method is spot on.... you could have then got him to open the face to 12.05 to start the ball a little more right and to lessen the curvature

BUT

Why take someone who slices and introduce a new miss? Why not just manage the slice (it's also just a face/path issue) into a powerfade.
 
The logic in your method is spot on.... you could have then got him to open the face to 12.05 to start the ball a little more right and to lessen the curvature

BUT

Why take someone who slices and introduce a new miss? Why not just manage the slice (it's also just a face/path issue) into a powerfade.

It was a good way of showing a slicer a different way to move the ball and see the left side of a fairway. Also, with this setup, the slicer MUST swing along the line of their toes- if they swing in to out trouble beckons.

It's also a good introduction to shot shaping and showing that it's actually dead easy to shape shots which can cut holes down by 50 yards on my course!
 
It was a good way of showing a slicer a different way to move the ball and see the left side of a fairway. Also, with this setup, the slicer MUST swing along the line of their toes- if they swing in to out trouble beckons.

It's also a good introduction to shot shaping and showing that it's actually dead easy to shape shots which can cut holes down by 50 yards on my course!

You mean 'out-to-in' there?

I agree with your logic... as I said... but often the player will have to change their grip, their aim, their alignment, their path, their downswing sequence etc etc. Some people can do this and still play well, others just have a whole new set of problems introduced. If it worked for your guy and he's happy then that's simply great news..... and you're now in trouble as he'll come back to you for more!!! LOL :D

... but what would you have changed if you aimed him right and he subsequently sliced the crap out of the ball miles to the right?
(see what I'm getting at there?)
 
You mean 'out-to-in' there?

Yes- I'm doing well in this thread for accuracy. DOH!


... but what would you have changed if you aimed him right and he subsequently sliced the crap out of the ball miles to the right?
(see what I'm getting at there?)

I would have turned him from a player whose slices endanger his scores to a player whose slices endanger the general public. At that point, it would have been a case of telling him to love, embrace and be proud of a left to right ball flight, aim left, clubface closed a little less to the left and turn the 180 yard slice to a 200 yard fade.
 
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