Straight Draw / Straight Fade

[virtuocity]

Is there such a thing as either of the above?

I know it's all semantics really but would you use either of the above phrases for a shot shape which leaves straight towards target then moves left or right?

Or would you call this a hook and slice?

 

[the smiling assassin]

Push or pull

 

[virtuocity]

Pull draw? Straight Push? Push Fade? Pull Slice? Argh!

 

[RollinThunder]

I go with whether the ball flight is intentional or not.

If the ball curve is intentional, ie. you truly meant to do it, then it's a draw or fade.

If it's unintentional and undesirable, ie. you didn't mean to do it, then it's a hook or slice.

It's all about your own beliefs, but I consider a hook to be an unwanted curve to the left, and a draw, a planned curve to the left, and vice versa. But like Jack Nicklaus said: ''a perfectly straight shot with a long club is a fluke''

 

[mikee247]

I go with whether the ball flight is intentional or not.

If the ball curve is intentional, ie. you truly meant to do it, then it's a draw or fade.

If it's unintentional and undesirable, ie. you didn't mean to do it, then it's a hook or slice.

It's all about your own beliefs, but I consider a hook to be an unwanted curve to the left, and a draw, a planned curve to the left, and vice versa. But like Jack Nicklaus said: ''a perfectly straight shot with a long club is a fluke''

Makes sense to me :thup: best explanation I've heard and Im not arguing with big Jack!

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Is there such a thing as either of the above?

I know it's all semantics really but would you use either of the above phrases for a shot shape which leaves straight towards target then moves left or right?

Or would you call this a hook and slice?

JO will probably correct me but I think a ball that starts straight and moves left or right a bit is just a draw or fade.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I go with whether the ball flight is intentional or not.

If the ball curve is intentional, ie. you truly meant to do it, then it's a draw or fade.

If it's unintentional and undesirable, ie. you didn't mean to do it, then it's a hook or slice.

It's all about your own beliefs, but I consider a hook to be an unwanted curve to the left, and a draw, a planned curve to the left, and vice versa. But like Jack Nicklaus said: ''a perfectly straight shot with a long club is a fluke''

A draw or fade is a shot shape, it's nothing to do with intention.

 

[Pippo_T]

A draw or fade is a shot shape, it's nothing to do with intention.

Agreed. There's an illustration by John Jacob that really explains this well, but I've found this which is similar:

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/BallFlight.jpg

What is called a Draw is actually a Push swing path (probably slight Push) with a little Hook spin (club face closed to path) to bring the ball back to the target line, and a Fade is a slight Pull swing path (probably slight Pull) with a little Slice spin (club face open to path) to bring the ball back to the target.

Anything that starts straight and goes left and right is a Straight Hook/Slice.

 

[JustOne]

JO will probably correct me but I think a ball that starts straight and moves left or right a bit is just a draw or fade.

I would be happy to call them a draw and a fade.

I would be happy to call them a straight draw and a straight fade.

Really it doesn't matter as we need to know where the person was lined up to be able to name the flight properly (as per definition).

In reality one was a ball that curved a little to the left of it's launch direction and the other curved a little to the right of it's launch direction. If they curve A LOT then you could define them as hooks/slices of SOME sort.

Agreed. There's an illustration by John Jacob that really explains this well, but I've found this which is similar:

That illustration is actually wrong - misleading at best.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

What is this word straight you refer to

 

[HawkeyeMS]

What is this word straight you refer to

It's Normally followed quickly by the word "right"

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It's Normally followed quickly by the word "right"

So harsh..............................so TRUE

 

[RollinThunder]

A draw or fade is a shot shape, it's nothing to do with intention.

I don't deny that a draw and fade is a shot shape.

I just believe that a slice is a fade that you don't want, and a hook is a draw that you don't want.

A draw or fade is planned, such as to shape the ball around an obstacle. A slice or hook is not planned, and has undesirable results.

 

[virtuocity]

OK, you aim your body 30 degrees to the right of the fairway and the clubface square to the middle of the fairway. The ball heads in the direction of your body and ends up:

a) to the right of the middle of the fairway (20 yards)
b) bang in the middle of the fairway
c) to the left of the middle of the fairway (20 yards)

What is the shot shape for each?

 

[JustOne]

OK, you aim your body 30 degrees to the right of the fairway and the clubface square to the middle of the fairway. The ball heads in the direction of your body and ends up:

a) to the right of the middle of the fairway (20 yards)
b) bang in the middle of the fairway
c) to the left of the middle of the fairway (20 yards)

What is the shot shape for each?

Depends where the ball STARTED

 

[virtuocity]

OK- the ball STARTS in the direction your body is pointed.

 

[JustOne]

a) straight
b) draw
c) over draw (nearly a hook)



Not sure I understand your alignment though... you're aimed 30 degrees to the right of the ENTIRE fairway?

If that's the case then draw/over draw/hook

 

[virtuocity]

WHOOOOPS.

I meant aimed 30 degrees to the right of the MIDDLE of the fairway.

Damn Grouse.

 

[JustOne]

Why do you want to know the name of shot shapes?

And why would you be aiming so far right?

 

[upsidedown]

Why do you want to know the name of shot shapes?

And why would you be aiming so far right?

To avoid hitting the Grouse?