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hovis said:
The age of 60 is beint changed this april to 65. Amd you can leave early on a lesser pension and that reduction is a joke. Its based on the Individual but its financial suicide to leave early
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Are you a FF ? If so have you actually read the Government proposal, you seem to have the typical blind prejudices shown by their Unions. It states a Full retirement age of 60, this will be reviewed in the future to be kept in line with changes in the retirement age generally. Where exactly do you get this 65 from?

For anyone interested here is a link to the current proposal: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...120524_-_Final_Agreement_-_Fire_-_FINALv2.pdf
 
williamalex1 said:
After coming out of the military can you get any social money ,ie unemployment, job seekers or the likes if you don't draw your pension.
I know wasn't entitled to anything because I was drawing my a private pension, but could you freeze your pension and get some kind of benefits.
A friend of mine somehow got all benefits going , he didn't claim his British steel pension for many years after being made redundant and let it grow. till he was of full pension age. ?
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I don't think not taking your pension is ever discussed TBH. I wasn't entitled to anything apart from my NI contributions being paid.

It needs to be remembered that our pensions are fixed from leaving at 40 until the age of 55, so in real terms decreasing in value all the while.
 
hovis said:
So would you be happy and willing to accept the changes? 10 Years more service, 25 grand less and hurdles to cross first that will certainly stop you from getting your reduced £75,000 lump sum
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No wouldn't be happy but had to accept it - imagine getting a reduced lump sum - how many other jobs when you finish give you more than a fecking tankard !!.

Country is in debt and people have to make sacrifices - but not fireman. That aren't willing to make them and instead down tools and let other people cover their arse. Selfish - the lot of them.
 
SocketRocket said:
Are you a FF ? If so have you actually read the Government proposal, you seem to have the typical blind prejudices shown by their Unions. It states a Full retirement age of 60, this will be reviewed in the future to be kept in line with changes in the retirement age generally. Where exactly do you get this 65 from?

For anyone interested here is a link to the current proposal: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...120524_-_Final_Agreement_-_Fire_-_FINALv2.pdf
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Yes I am. And to qualify for full pension its 40 years service or upto 65 what ever comes
First. The proposal you state is for green book staff and since last week out of date. You have may 2012 edition there buddy
 
hovis said:
So would you be happy and willing to accept the changes? 10 Years more service, 25 grand less and hurdles to cross first that will certainly stop you from getting your reduced £75,000 lump sum
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Complete fabrication. Show us evidence!

I think you will find most working people in this country would bite your hand off for the proposed conditions.
 
hovis said:
Yes I am. And to qualify for full pension its 40 years service or upto 65 what ever comes
First. The proposal you state is for green book staff and since last week out of date. You have may 2012 edition there buddy
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That is the current one from the Governments web site. So where is there a newer version we can see then?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
No wouldn't be happy but had to accept it - imagine getting a reduced lump sum - how many other jobs when you finish give you more than a fecking tankard !!.


Country is in debt and people have to make sacrifices - but not fireman. That aren't willing to make them and instead down tools and let other people cover their arse. Selfish - the lot of them.
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You make it sound like we want something for free. 15% is a hell of alot of money to pay into a pension when you only take home £1520. And ff's absolutely hate striking. You go on as if we love it. We dont.
 
hovis said:
You make it sound like we want something for free. 15% is a hell of alot of money to pay into a pension when you only take home £1520. And ff's absolutely hate striking. You go on as if we love it. We dont.
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Doesn't a fireman earn 30 grand a year before tax ? Where is the rest of his money going then ?

Some people would kill to get that much a month.
 
SocketRocket said:
Complete fabrication. Show us evidence!

I think you will find most working people in this country would bite your hand off for the proposed conditions.
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If u pm me your email I will send you a government paper where their own doctor said we could work past 56. And they chose to ignor their own finding. Funny how that doesnt make the mirror
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Doesn't a fireman earn 30 grand a year before tax ? Where is the rest of his money going then ?


Some people would kill to get that much a month.
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Yes and some people would slit their wrist if they only earnt that. So what your saying is because their are people in this country worse off than me I should be greatfull for the goverments mercy and take it on the chin? All I want is what I agreed to when I joined. It wouldnt be such a bitter pill to swallow if they didnt recently increase their pension benefits.

Ff earns 28.500 after tax, pension and £10 brigade golf fee I get £1520 to £1605
 
hovis said:
Yes and some people would slit their wrist if they only earnt that. So what your saying is because their are people in this country worse off than me I should be greatfull for the goverments mercy and take it on the chin? All I want is what I agreed to when I joined. It wouldnt be such a bitter pill to swallow if they didnt recently increase their pension benefits.

Ff earns 28.500 after tax, pension and £10 brigade golf fee I get £1520 to £1605
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So it's not 1500 then pension off as you stated earlier ?

If you don't like the terms you could go and get a different job.

The times have changed. Time for the firemen to understand that.

If times are so bad for you then I m guessing you can't afford the money to be a member at the Belfry
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I bet everyone would jump at those terms.
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The biggest grip not mention in that document is the fitness tests. The government doctor and consultant even said we shouldnt be working past 56 and to give us desk jobs. But there are alot more ff's than office staff
 
hovis said:
The biggest grip not mention in that document is the fitness tests. The government doctor and consultant even said we shouldnt be working past 56 and to give us desk jobs. But there are alot more ff's than office staff
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If you can't work as a ff past 56 what is wrong with leaving and getting another job just like military people have too ( who still do fitness tests also )
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So it's not 1500 then pension off as you stated earlier ?

If you don't like the terms you could go and get a different job.

The times have changed. Time for the firemen to understand that.

If times are so bad for you then I m guessing you can't afford the money to be a member at the Belfry
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I dont remember saying 1500 then take pension off. Maybe I did! And when
Did I say times are bad? just saying people think ff'sand police have it easy. We dont. I think people like you should have more respect for people that are employed to help you and your family rather then slag us down by calling us cake eaters. All we want is the term we agreed to. You will be the first person moaning when a 64 year old ff leaves your family in a burning building because he's popped a disk.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
If you can't work as a ff past 56 what is wrong with leaving and getting another job just like military people have too ( who still do fitness tests also )
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Nothings wrong with that at all. just all the benefits of the years spent building up your pension are gone. If you left/forced even a year early you loose your lump sum. £75k is alot of money to loose
 
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