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Liverpoolphil said:
And ? I know ones that have had second jobs

I have also had to cover for them whilst they went on strike a number of times whilst they ödemanded more money,

Would they cover for the military if we ever went on strike.

Military are also getting their pensions changed. They can't strike though
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The last time the army stepped in was 9 YEARS ago. So other than strike what should ff's do? Have you read the post I wrote about 6 posts ago? And demands more money! A ff was on 18k before them strikes. Thats £1100 a month after pension
 
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hovis said:
The last time the army stepped in was 9 YEARS ago. So other than strike what shoukd ff's do? Have you read the post I wrote about 6 posts ago? And demandes more money! A ff was on 18k before them strikes. Thats £1100 after pension
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£18k - compare that to your normal soldiers out there. They don't get the chance to strike. And it wasnt just the army that stepped in.

A trainee fire and earns 21K a year and when finished his training is on 30K a year !
 
Liverpoolphil said:
£18k - compare that to your normal soldiers out there. They don't get the chance to strike. And it wasnt just the army that stepped in.

A trainee fire and earns 21K a year and when finished his training is on 30K a year !
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Been on google have we ? And once again your wrong. £1950 whilst training (8 to 12 weeks)
£21500 durring probation ( 2 to 3 years) then £28500 then on. Before the strikes a fully trained ff was on 21 and 18 durring probation
 
hovis said:
Been on google have we ? And once again your wrong. £1950 whilst training (8 to 12 weeks)
£21500 durring probation ( 2 to 3 years) then £28500 then on. Before the strikes a fully trained ff was on 21 and 18 durring probation
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Guess how much a newly qualified soldier gets ? The same solider that goes straight on Op's to work 6 months straight and isn't given 4 days off every 4 days worked.

Firefights aren't hard done by financially - not by a long and they aren't the only people whose pensions have been changed.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Guess how much a newly qualified soldier gets ? The same solider that goes straight on Op's to work 6 months straight and isn't given 4 days off every 4 days worked.

Firefights aren't hard done by financially - not by a long and they aren't the only people whose pensions have been changed.
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Are you for real? I personly think soldiers should get paid more than any public sector job and i'm not saying ff's are the only ones. But my question to you is what you you do if your terms changed as I posted earlyer? Roll over and take it up the balloon knot? Could you and your family manage on £220 less a month? And your saying they shouldnt strike, well I for one would love to see the look on your face when two ff's in breathing aparatus come to your house thats on fire at the grand age of 64.

And you want to think hard about that because that will happen if the government
Get their way. Any 64 year old soldiers in middle east at the moment?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Guess how much a newly qualified soldier gets ? The same solider that goes straight on Op's to work 6 months straight and isn't given 4 days off every 4 days worked
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Funny how you left out the 48 hours worked in them 4 days! And your firsr day off is spent in bed
 
Every one has a right to withdraw labour , its a right won by others in the past that has given many a chance for better standard of living and be treated fairly and in some cases the rights has been abused by unions , The bosses will abuse the rights too if they can get away with it . I was lucky my Union Was ASLEF and we did very well , last real strike I was in was in july 1982 .........since then we have done very well without having to withdraw labour , sort out your own pensions and not hope the state does ..........EYG
 
JCW said:
Every one has a right to withdraw labour , its a right won by others in the past that haos given many a chance for better standard of living and be treated fairly and in some cases the rights has been abused by unions , The bosses will abuse the rights too if they can get away with it . I was lucky my Union Was ASLEF and we did very well , last real strike I was in was in july 1982 .........since then we have done very well without having to withdraw labour , sort out your own pensions and not hope the state does ..........EYG
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Well said mate
 
JCW said:
Every one has a right to withdraw labour , its a right won by others in the past that has given many a chance for better standard of living and be treated fairly and in some cases the rights has been abused by unions ,
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Not quite everyone
 
hovis said:
Are you for real? I personly think soldiers should get paid more than any public sector job and i'm not saying ff's are the only ones. But my question to you is what you you do if your terms changed as I posted earlyer? Roll over and take it up the balloon knot? Could you and your family manage on £220 less a month? And your saying they shouldnt strike, well I for one would love to see the look on your face when two ff's in breathing aparatus come to your house thats on fire at the grand age of 64.

And you want to think hard about that because that will happen if the government
Get their way. Any 64 year old soldiers in middle east at the moment?
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Again other people have had their pensions changed but they can't strike

When they do strike people who get paid less than them cover for them whilst they demand more money.

Times are tough in the world - people struggle for work , some people have had to take massive pay cuts just to stay in work , thousands get made redundant on a weekly basis - many people in the country have had to make financial sacrifices to stay afloat. Military haven't had a pay rise in years - they can't strike, they have it accept it and find a way to get by.

Soldiers retire in their 40's , or 55 then need to go out and get another job until they get a state pension.

Why should a ff retire at 55 and not have to work again when other people have too
 
hovis said:
Are you for real? I personly think soldiers should get paid more than any public sector job and i'm not saying ff's are the only ones. But my question to you is what you you do if your terms changed as I posted earlyer? Roll over and take it up the balloon knot? Could you and your family manage on £220 less a month? And your saying they shouldnt strike, well I for one would love to see the look on your face when two ff's in breathing aparatus come to your house thats on fire at the grand age of 64.

And you want to think hard about that because that will happen if the government
Get their way. Any 64 year old soldiers in middle east at the moment?
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You are good at exaggerating. You quote a probationary FF wage as if its what they are all on. You know that the current proposal is for Firemen to get a retirement pension at 60 and they can retire earlier on a scaled down pension. What hard done by with that?
 
hovis said:
Funny how you left out the 48 hours worked in them 4 days! And your firsr day off is spent in bed
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It's not a hard shift - I did it for over 15 years !! I even did the two days two nights then only two days off. It's not hard.
 
JCW said:
Every one has a right to withdraw labour , its a right won by others in the past that has given many a chance for better standard of living and be treated fairly and in some cases the rights has been abused by unions , The bosses will abuse the rights too if they can get away with it . I was lucky my Union Was ASLEF and we did very well , last real strike I was in was in july 1982 .........since then we have done very well without having to withdraw labour , sort out your own pensions and not hope the state does ..........EYG
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Not everyone has the right to withdraw labour - police and military can't
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Again other people have had their pensions changed but they can't strike

When they do strike people who get paid less than them cover for them whilst they demand more money.

Times are tough in the world - people struggle for work , some people have had to take massive pay cuts just to stay in work , thousands get made redundant on a weekly basis - many people in the country have had to make financial sacrifices to stay afloat. Military haven't had a pay rise in years - they can't strike, they have it accept it and find a way to get by.

Soldiers retire in their 40's , or 55 then need to go out and get another job until they get a state pension.

Why should a ff retire at 55 and not have to work again when other people have too
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First of all because the vast majority of public sector pay Alot less than 15% pension. My sister is a teacher and pays 5%

And second, because the job takes alot out of your body. I've lost count of how many ff's have had back opps at the age of 40. Believe me after 30 years of service the fire service have had their money out of you. Least they can do is let you enjoy your last few years on thid plannet. Average age for death in the fire service is 63. However that is increasing with H&S at work regs
 
19thagain said:
You are possibly not aware that up here in Scotland we had a recent incident where a helicopter crashed into a pub and guess what ... we would give every fireman double their current pay and pension because we value them and the job they do.
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We have all seen it, its ben in the National News.??

The Firemen did their job but what exactly did they do to deserve twice their pay?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Not everyone has the right to withdraw labour - police and military can't
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I think you find they can , its a human right , but they will breach the conditions of employment they signed up for so will face a disciplinary hearing , it be interesting if they all came out on strike , what then .....will never happen ................EYG
 
hovis said:
First of all because the vast majority of public sector pay Alot less than 15% pension. My sister is a teacher and pays 5%

And second, because the job takes alot out of your body. I've lost count of how many ff's have had back opps at the age of 40. Believe me after 30 years of service the fire service have had their money out of you. Least they can do is let you enjoy your last few years on thid plannet. Average age for death in the fire service is 63. However that is increasing with H&S at work regs
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That's no different to the military - in fact would suggest it's even worse in the military for less pay than a fireman gets.

After 30 years service a military bod needs to find another job - why shouldn't a ff have to do,the same
 
JCW said:
I think you find they can , its a human right , but they will breach the conditions of employment they signed up for so will face a disciplinary hearing , it be interesting if they all came out on strike , what then .....will never happen ................EYG
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Actually they can't because it's in a royal charter that ensures the country is not left unguarded.
 
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