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SocketRocket said:
You are good at exaggerating. You quote a probationary FF wage as if its what they are all on. You know that the current proposal is for Firemen to get a retirement pension at 60 and they can retire earlier on a scaled down pension. What hard done by with that?
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The age of 60 is beint changed this april to 65. Amd you can leave early on a lesser pension and that reduction is a joke. Its based on the Individual but its financial suicide to leave early
 
JCW said:
I think you find they can , its a human right , but they will breach the conditions of employment they signed up for so will face a disciplinary hearing , it be interesting if they all came out on strike , what then .....will never happen ................EYG
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No the military can't, not unless you fancy a considerable period in the Military Corrective Training Centre at Colchester. Act with others in withholding your labour and it then becomes mutiny - and a considerably longer stretch.

You should be aware that not all human rights are 'absolute' rights.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
It's not a hard shift - I did it for over 15 years !! I even did the two days two nights then only two days off. It's not hard.
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Are you a fireman? If not then how the hell do you know its a easy shift. If you where a fireman then you must have been at a small station
 
hovis said:
Where you a fireman? If not then how the hell do you know its a easy shift. If you where a fireman then you must have been at a small station
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Covered for them when they went on strike in Telford.

And have done lots of shifts in war zones so I know how tough a shift it can be.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Covered for them when they went on strike in Telford.

And have done lots of shifts in war zones so I know how tough a shift it can be.
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Green godess doesnt really cut it mate. So unless you've done more than a week on the current duty shift then you cant comment on a ff's work load. And you had beds back then too.

And as for shifts In war zones, thats like hardly ever and the rest of the time in the forces is easy, I know
 
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hovis said:
Green godess doesnt really cut it mate. So unless you've done more than a week on the current duty shift then you cant comment on a ff's work load. And you had beds back then too.
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Fancy not being allowed a bed to go to on a night shift - shocking :o:D
 
hovis said:
Green godess doesnt really cut it mate. So unless you've done more than a week on the current duty shift then you cant comment on a ff's work load. And you had beds back then too.
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Yes Green Godess was inferior equipment but yet the military guys got the job done. Getting the job done whilst the ff stood outside warming their hands up.

Sorry but I lost sympathy for ff a long time ago - a lot more people have it worse than them yet other people get on with it.

And tell me why military people have to get another job when they leave because their pension isn't enough to see them through yet ff want a bigger pension so they don't have to work again ?!
 
hovis said:
And as for shifts In war zones, thats like hardly ever and the rest of the time in the forces is easy, I know
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Are you taking the piss ?! Have you not seen what has been going on around the world since 91 - British forces have been deployed every single year.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yes Green Godess was inferior equipment but yet the military guys got the job done. Getting the job done whilst the ff stood outside warming their hands up.

Sorry but I lost sympathy for ff a long time ago - a lot more people have it worse than them yet other people get on with it.

And tell me why military people have to get another job when they leave because their pension isn't enough to see them through yet ff want a bigger pension so they don't have to work again ?!
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Because the vast majority dont stay In long enough to get a full pension. Those that do a full term get a good pension for what they paid in. I only paid 4% ( I think) a ff pays £300 a month.

And when did ff's ask for a bigger pension? They want the same pension they agreed to when they signed on the dotted line.
 
stevie_r said:
22 for the Army Phil
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After coming out of the military can you get any social money i.e. unemployment, job seekers or the likes, if you don't draw your pension.
I know wasn't entitled to any benefits after my early retirement because I was drawing my a private pension. Could you freeze your pension and get some kind of benefits.
A friend of mine somehow got all benefits going , he didn't claim his British steel pension for many years after being made redundant and let it grow untill till he was of full pension age. ?
 
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hovis said:
Because the vast majority dont stay In long enough to get a full pension. Those that do a full term get a good pension for what they paid in. I only paid 4% ( I think) a ff pays £300 a month.

And when did ff's ask for a bigger pension? They want the same pension they agreed to when they signed on the dotted line.
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Times change - the financial situation in the country has changed - people are having to make cuts all over the country. People are having wage cuts being made redundant and others are having to make sacrifices to make ends meet - why should ff be exempt from having to make sacrifices
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Are you taking the piss ?! Have you not seen what has been going on around the world since 91 - British forces have been deployed every single year.
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Iraq 2 was a joke. I was there. Afghan is a different story but most of the forces are in this country waiting to get deployed
 
williamalex1 said:
After coming out of the military can you get any social money ,ie unemployment, job seekers or the likes if you don't draw your pension.
I know wasn't entitled to anything because I was drawing my a private pension, but could you freeze your pension and get some kind of benefits.
A friend of mine somehow got all benefits going , he didn't claim his British steel pension for many years after being made redundant and let it grow. till he was of full pension age. ?
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You can get housing and job seekers but only a small%
 
hovis said:
Iraq 2 was a joke. I was there. Afghan is a different story but most of the forces are in this country waiting to get deployed
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You are taking the piss aren't you.

What exactly was funny about it when people died
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
Times change - the financial situation in the country has changed - people are having to make cuts all over the country. People are having wage cuts being made redundant and others are having to make sacrifices to make ends meet - why should ff be exempt from having to make sacrifices
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So would you be happy and willing to accept the changes? 10 Years more service, 25 grand less and hurdles to cross first that will certainly stop you from getting your reduced £75,000 lump sum
 
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