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Liverpoolphil said:
What was wrong with that document and what they were offering ?

Still get overtime ?
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Overtime? Whats that.

What i'm saying phil is the government are purposely putting hurdles in our way to stop us getting our full pension. 75 grand times 45,000 fire fighters is alot. I will do my upmost to get the findings from the governments doctor/ consultant with regards to his finds. Its In black and white that we cant work that long and the tests are not obtainable. For them to ignor that advice because it doesnt suit them is shocking. Like I said, it didnt look like a confidential doc so leave it with me. Its a bloody good read too!
 
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hovis said:
With ff's dieing very soon after retirement the new blood comin in vastly out weighed the old. However, with the mortality rate increasing and cutts to front line jobs it become unsustaible.
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Like I said earlier, I know a number of FF. They don't seem to die just after retirement, can you show us some kind of evidence to substantiate that claim? My Grandfather was a Fireman, he was retired with poor health from the Brigade at 35 and died at 96 after drawing a pension for 61 years. Must have been some kind of record :) And its a true story.
 
SocketRocket said:
Like I said earlier, I know a number of FF. They don't seem to die just after retirement, can you show us some kind of evidence to substantiate that claim? My Grandfather was a Fireman, he was retired with poor health from the Brigade at 35 and died at 96 after drawing a pension for 61 years. Must have been some kind of record :) And its a true story.
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I dont have them in my back pocket but I wont be hard to get them. it is very sad when ever I start a new shift I always have a new email saying " death of former colleague" i'm talking 55 to 60 year old blokes here. perhaps its what happens when you spend all day with the wife

And I cerainly dont mean any disrespect but him retiring early probable saved him yeards of breathing in chemicals and stuff. They hardly used breathing apparatus back then you see
 
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hovis said:
Overtime? Whats that.

What i'm saying phil is the government are purposely putting hurdles in our way to stop us getting our full pension. 75 grand times 45,000 fire fighters is alot. I will do my upmost to get the findings from the governments doctor/ consultant with regards to his finds. Its In black and white that we cant work that long and the tests are not obtainable. For them to ignor that advice because it doesnt suit them is shocking. Like I said, it didnt look like a confidential doc so leave it with me. Its a bloody good read too!
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So those findings disagree with the ones in that other document where it says that 100% of fireman can pass the fitness test

So what exactly was wrong with what was being offered in that document. ?

Seemed fair and reasonable to me.
 
hovis said:
I dont have them in my back pocket but I wont be hard to get them. it is very sad when ever I start a new shift I always have a new email saying " death of former colleague" i'm talking 55 to 60 year old blokes here. perhaps its what happens when you spend all day with the wife
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But why? The guys I know all seem healthy, they tend to keep fit. Are you suggesting the nature of the work damages their health such that they die in their 50's?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So those findings disagree with the ones in that other document where it says that 100% of fireman can pass the fitness test

So what exactly was wrong with what was being offered in that document. ?

Seemed fair and reasonable to me.
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The increased contributions and working longer.

How can anyone say 100% can pass. the fitness test is unfair! Thats not my oppinion, thats the oppinion of the governments consultant
 
hovis said:
The increased contributions and working longer
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Don't want to state the obvious but that's what everyone is having to do!?

Edit: to add there are probably less than 5% of private sector workers looking at a lump sum of £75k. Not in any way belittling what you do, just a bit of perspective.w
 
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hovis said:
The increased contributions and working longer.

How can anyone say 100% can pass. the fitness test is unfair! Thats not my oppinion, thats the oppinion of the governments consultant
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Everyone has to work longer and increase contributions ? Why should you be any different ?

And in that document Dr Williams states all can pass the fitness test ? Where is your proof to counter ?
 
SocketRocket said:
But why? The guys I know all seem healthy, they tend to keep fit. Are you suggesting the nature of the work damages their health such that they die in their 50's?
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In my opinion Yes. I personly think that loosing the beds was for the best because when your awake its no big deal. Imagine 30 years of being asleep and being woken up by an almighty siren. Even in the day I have to first scrape mself off the ceiling when the bells drop. Imagine what imact going from deep sleep to full chaff does on your body. I only had o e year of the beds and that was enough. There are figures out there with life expectancy so i'll get them
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Everyone has to work longer and increase contributions ? Why should you be any different ?

And in that document Dr Williams states all can pass the fitness test ? Where is your proof to counter ?
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Do you read mate. I said I will get the papers. I dont keep them on me. But having personly done the test and seeing my 48 year old boss scrape though I can tell you. They ent easy
 
hovis said:
Do you read mate. I said I will get the papers. I dont keep them on me. But having personly done the test and seeing my 48 year old boss scrape though I can tell you. They ent easy
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And why should you be different to everyone else in terms of working longer and contributing more ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And why should you be different to everyone else in terms of working longer and contributing more ?
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I've just googled dr williams fire fitness test and the first bbc news page has a report from him saying all cannot pass the test. What are you smoking.

But all are not contributing more. Teachers and social workers ent. Teacher pay 5% and get almost the same pension as we do
 
hovis said:
I've just googled dr williams fire fitness test and the first bbc news page has a report from him saying all cannot pass the test. What are you smoking.

But all are not contributing more. Teachers and social workers ent. Teacher pay 5% and get almost the same pension as we do
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Think you will find they get less and work longer
 
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hovis said:
I've just googled dr williams fire fitness test and the first bbc news page has a report from him saying all cannot pass the test. What are you smoking.

But all are not contributing more. Teachers and social workers ent. Teacher pay 5% and get almost the same pension as we do
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Did you read this ?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...131105-BL_Open_Letter_to_Firefighters__2_.pdf

In particular this bit

Dr
Williams in his independent
report found that 100 per cent
of firefighters, following an
appropriate exercise regime,
should be able to maintain fitness to the age of
60.


I do believe their pension is considerbly less and they work for longer.
 
Chaps this is wandering very close to getting silly. Try and keep it on topic and if needed start your own thread to discuss whatever you like.
 
So we work longer and deprive the kids of work. They will increase the school leaving age to 25 to compensate. LMFAO !!!! Clowns, the lot of 'em.
 
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