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Doon frae Troon said:
I am coming up for 66 and I bet I could leave a lot of teenagers a long way behind on a hill trek.
Some right ageist guff on this thread!

One of my retired neighbours goes fell running to a decent standard, anyone tried that?
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Have read much ageist posts on the thread tbh

Unless I have missed something ?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I am coming up for 66 and I bet I could leave a lot of teenagers a long way behind on a hill trek.
Some right ageist guff on this thread!

One of my retired neighbours goes fell running to a decent standard, anyone tried that?
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i was just joshing to see if you old boys were still awake!

My grandad, now 85, retired from playing rugby aged 74. full contact and played 2nd or back row, he also refused to wear the gold shorts at amateur level means don't tackle full, tap both hips and the have to give up the ball basically. He only retired as my grandmother cut his boots up and made a fuss about it. he also ran the London marathon for consecutively for 32 years, his last was aged around 68. (still sub 4 hrs) So there is life in some of these old dogs! ;)
 
rosecott said:
Do firemen not retire on pension at age 55?
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They can retire on a Firefighters pension from 50 if they have served 30 years, the new Government proposals require them to work to 60 for their pensions. They are striking as they say 60 is too old.

I know a number of Firefighters and they seem to have a lot of time on their hands, one at our golf club has a landscape gardening business. I think we all are aware of the difficult job they do and IMO they are well rewarded for it, I have little sympathy for their current demands.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Some right ageist guff on this thread!
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There frequently is, on many threads. However, I stand by my original claim that there will be no significant increase or decrease in the physical ability of the average 60-odd year old over the next few decades.

Or did I miss the point of your post doon? are you suggesting that people should undergo a physical fitness test to determine their pension date? ;)
 
So what exactly will make the majority of the future population live longer? What I see is a lot of very overweight people who seem to be having problems walking in their twenties. I also see people drinking more , especially young women who's bodies cannot deal with this amount of alcohol. Is the answer better health care like cures for some of the diseases such as cancer?

It's true that the average life expectancy now is around ten years higher than my parents generation and much of this is due to better medical care and nutrition but will this continue into the future so that people now in their twenties can expect to live around 5 years longer than someone retiring today?

I have my doubts.
 
The point I tried to make in the op, was " A LOT of MANUAL workers" won't be capable of heavy work, not someone doing light non-manual jobs no reason they can't work till they drop " if they want".
But another thought , what about all the young people looking for jobs, they'll just have to wait another few years.
 
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SocketRocket;953339 I know a number of Firefighters and they seem to have a lot of time on their hands said:
You are possibly not aware that up here in Scotland we had a recent incident where a helicopter crashed into a pub and guess what ... we would give every fireman double their current pay and pension because we value them and the job they do.
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williamalex1 said:
The point I tried to make in the op, was " A LOT of MANUAL workers" won't be capable of heavy work, not someone doing light non-manual jobs no reason they can't work till they drop " if they want".
But another thought , what about all the young people looking for jobs, they'll just have to wait another few years.
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..or pick up the heavy work the older folks can't do and that they free up when moving to do light non-manual stuff. Ok if the jobs pay the same - but they most likely won't
 
19thagain said:
You are possibly not aware that up here in Scotland we had a recent incident where a helicopter crashed into a pub and guess what ... we would give every fireman double their current pay and pension because we value them and the job they do.
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Would we?
 
19thagain said:
You are possibly not aware that up here in Scotland we had a recent incident where a helicopter crashed into a pub and guess what ... we would give every fireman double their current pay and pension because we value them and the job they do.
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A lot of people do a lot of valuable jobs but don't get the chance to earn second wages and then strike when they aren't allowed all their cake

Military who have had to cover for Fireman on a number of occasions can't strike

Policemen also

Fireman whilst doing fantastic jobs are getting as bad as teachers - any time someone tries to change something they down tools
 
SocketRocket said:
I know a number of Firefighters and they seem to have a lot of time on their hands, one at our golf club has a landscape gardening business. I think we all are aware of the difficult job they do and IMO they are well rewarded for it, I have little sympathy for their current demands.
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The fact you've quoted are not quite correct and you say you have little sympathy so let me ask you something.......

You join the fire service and start paying 9% (£180 Per month) for a 2 thirds pension with no lump sum or half pension with a 100k lump sum you can collect when your 55

Then it gets anounced that you have to start paying 15% ( around £320 per month) and for the extra contribution they get to work 15 years longer and loose 25k of their lump sum. But thats if they get to the pensionable age as the government have put fitness tests in place that 50% of 54 year old men would fail and 80% of over 56 year olds would fail. WHEN you fail the fitness test the fire service will boot you out as there are no jobs to be tranfered into. so could you imagine being 64 and fail a fitness test? You would loose the entire £75,000 lump sum and wouldnt qualify for you half pension either. Imagine being 6 months off the finish line!

By the way a fire fighter takes home £1520 after pension!

So how does that grab ya?
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
A lot of people do a lot of valuable jobs but don't get the chance to earn second wages and then strike when they aren't allowed all their cake
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Your so full of it. Out of 50 fire fighters stationed at tamworth and burton not a single person has a second job. That finished when fire fighters got stopped sleeping on night shifts. Any that do manage to stay awake and have a second job do so because £1520 to £1600 isnt enough money to pay their bills
 
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hovis said:
Your so full of it. Out of 50 fire fighters stationed at tamworth and burton not a single person has a second job. That finished when fire fighters got stopped sleeping on night shifts.
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Yet I know people who work at Fire Stations near me and have a second job.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yet I know people who work at Fire Stations near me and have a second job.
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Ask them how many people are at their station and what percentage have seconds jobs. I know over 70 fire fighters. One used to drive a taxi but jacked it In. So thats non out of 70
 
hovis said:
The fact you've quoted are not quite correct and you say you have little sympathy so let me ask you something.......

You join the fire service and start paying 9% (£180 Per month) for a 2 thirds pension with no lump sum or half pension with a 100k lump sum you can collect when your 55

Then it gets anounced that you have to start paying 15% ( around £320 per month) and for the extra contribution they get to work 15 years longer and loose 25k of their lump sum. But thats if they get to the pensionable age as the government have put fitness tests in place that 50% of 54 year old men would fail and 80% of over 56 year olds would fail. WHEN you fail the fitness test the fire service will boot you out as there are no jobs to be tranfered into. so could you imagine being 64 and fail a fitness test? You would loose the entire £75,000 lump sum and wouldnt qualify for you half pension either. Imagine being 6 months off the finish line!

By the way a fire fighter takes home £1520 after pension!

So how does that grab ya?
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The Government has also done similar to police pensions, wouldn't be surprised if they aren't doing the same to Ambulance personnel & NHS staff. In fact the only people whose pensions don't appear to have suffered the same fate are the Government.
 
hovis said:
Ask them how many people are at their station and what percentage have seconds jobs. I know over 70 fire fighters. One used to drive a taxi but jacked it In. So thats non out of 70
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And ? I know ones that have had second jobs

I have also had to cover for them whilst they went on strike a number of times whilst they demanded more money,

Would they cover for the military if we ever went on strike.

Military are also getting their pensions changed. They can't strike though
 
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