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[wull]

AW the dogs are normally only there to retrieve to fallen game. So not part of the hunt as such.

pheasants sit so tight that you really need the working dog to flush them,you can pretty much walk over a pheasant and they won't move.a few times i had to practically chase them before they flew,some didn't.

my father inlaw has a lab that does brilliantly,she points and waits for you.this is great whilst on a rough shoot because the last thing you want is your dog working way ahead and flushing birds that are too far away to shoot.she waits for you then when you get close enough and tell her to fish them out she puts the bird up.it's great!!

 

[Snelly]

I would like nothing more than to visit a local farm to purchase my meat for the week but, alas, there aren't many smallholdings in South London! I'd have to drive for miles before I encountered such an establishment.

I do, however, purchase my meat from TESCO, etc for no other reason than it's convenient. Hypocritical I know but I don't really have a choice. Unfortunately, my Wife's Auntie nearly died from eating infected meat from a local butcher which, understandably, put her off butcher's for life.

I do try and purchase the higher end meats though, not the budget stuff as, like you, I hope the animal enjoyed a 'nice' life before being killed.

I'm not anti hunting per se. At the end of the day I'm a city boy so I've got no real idea what it's like to live in the countryside but, the point I was trying to make is that shooting grouse, etc is slightly one sided. In order to kill one bird you have a beater, a dog and another man who holds a shotgun/rifle. Why not do away with the beater and the dogs and go shooting on your own? Perhaps a silly question but, as a city boy, three against one doesn't seem right to me.

Also, you can't knock McDonalds! Their breakfasts are the best hangover food EVER!

You live in South London so you are spoilt for absolutely brilliant food suppliers who have very high standards and offer awesome produce. For meat, Randalls butchers on Wandsworth Bridge Road is unrivalled. You can get their details and see reviews here - http://www.urbanpath.com/london/butchers/randalls.htm
I don't think they have nearly killed anyone's Aunt recently.

If that is too far away for you or you can't be motivated to do anything other than "convenient" then for supermarkets, Waitrose is head and shoulders above the competition. The meat is very good and their farming and fishery policies are what right minded people should support and demand.

Buying meat from Tescos means that you condone this http://www.redpepper.org.uk/Revealed-horror-at-Tesco-pig-farm/ I won't paste the content as it doesn't make pleasant reading. What I will say though is that pigs are very intelligent animals, smarter than dogs in fact, so living a brief life in a holding cage barely wider than the animal itself and spending all day just eating and crapping isn't what you might call a nice life. And yes, this is the pork that gets all the positive farming symbols on the packaging and yes, it is for their "finest" range. Hypocritical doesn't quite cover it......


To the point you made about shooting, I suggest you read a little more on the subject. Try here - http://www.basc.org.uk/en/departments/game-and-gamekeeping/game-shooting/ at least then you will have an understanding of what goes on. Rough shooting is what you suggest as a more fair option, going for a walk with your dog and a gun and seeing what you can find for your dinner.

I do plenty of rough shooting and it is great although many is the day that you don't actually fire a shot. As for how fair it is, well I am trying to shoot my dinner so fairness is not a major consideration. Trust me though, having game birds driven over a line of guns by beaters does not mean it is easy to shoot them. beaters don't help you aim or pull the trigger and neither does the dog! I suppose a bow and arrow would even things up but you would not hit much and wounding rates would be very high.

If we ever meet and I think you are a decent bloke then I will happily extend an invitation (I won't if you are not though!) for you to come shooting with me. I will show you how to shoot shotguns and rifles, we can kill something for the table and I will help you to prepare it and cook it too if you like. At least then the connection between a living creature and food on your plate would be made. This is a good thing in this day and age. It is in my view, important to understand that eating meat means death for a sentient creature - a fact that is lost on many Britons today it would seem.

 

[patricks148]

I used to shoot quite a bit, less recently. Up here i've done a bit of Deer Stalking, which was wondering about for hours in the pissing rain and not so much as seeing a deer. Though have had got a couple of bucks a couple of years ago. Do some wild fowling time to time, bit of rough shooting which my German Pointer is good for though my wife has spoilt her a bit now and prefers to chase things rather than just sniff them out of cover.

did a fair amount of beaten game down south, none here though.

golf has sort of taken over from it now, but still enjoy it.

 

[Dodger]

Great thread.

Yes,I am actually typing this.....I 100% agree with Snelly on this.

Time to end the thread I think.:whoo:

 

[AuburnWarrior]

You live in South London so you are spoilt for absolutely brilliant food suppliers who have very high standards and offer awesome produce. For meat, Randalls butchers on Wandsworth Bridge Road is unrivalled. You can get their details and see reviews here - http://www.urbanpath.com/london/butchers/randalls.htm
I don't think they have nearly killed anyone's Aunt recently.

If that is too far away for you or you can't be motivated to do anything other than "convenient" then for supermarkets, Waitrose is head and shoulders above the competition. The meat is very good and their farming and fishery policies are what right minded people should support and demand.

Buying meat from Tescos means that you condone this http://www.redpepper.org.uk/Revealed-horror-at-Tesco-pig-farm/ I won't paste the content as it doesn't make pleasant reading. What I will say though is that pigs are very intelligent animals, smarter than dogs in fact, so living a brief life in a holding cage barely wider than the animal itself and spending all day just eating and crapping isn't what you might call a nice life. And yes, this is the pork that gets all the positive farming symbols on the packaging and yes, it is for their "finest" range. Hypocritical doesn't quite cover it......


To the point you made about shooting, I suggest you read a little more on the subject. Try here - http://www.basc.org.uk/en/departments/game-and-gamekeeping/game-shooting/ at least then you will have an understanding of what goes on. Rough shooting is what you suggest as a more fair option, going for a walk with your dog and a gun and seeing what you can find for your dinner.

I do plenty of rough shooting and it is great although many is the day that you don't actually fire a shot. As for how fair it is, well I am trying to shoot my dinner so fairness is not a major consideration. Trust me though, having game birds driven over a line of guns by beaters does not mean it is easy to shoot them. beaters don't help you aim or pull the trigger and neither does the dog! I suppose a bow and arrow would even things up but you would not hit much and wounding rates would be very high.

If we ever meet and I think you are a decent bloke then I will happily extend an invitation (I won't if you are not though!) for you to come shooting with me. I will show you how to shoot shotguns and rifles, we can kill something for the table and I will help you to prepare it and cook it too if you like. At least then the connection between a living creature and food on your plate would be made. This is a good thing in this day and age. It is in my view, important to understand that eating meat means death for a sentient creature - a fact that is lost on many Britons today it would seem.

Snelly, Sir, you've opened my eyes pal!! I always love reading your reposts and this is no exception.

I'm always willing to accept that I've been wrong and in this instance it appears I've been hypocritical and , as a result of this thread, I'm now going to make a very concious effort to purchase my meat from a retailer whose farming and fisheries policy is excellent. Alas, Wandsworth is a bit too far for me but I'll endeavour to find a comparable butcher around here. In the mean time, it'll be Waitrose. I'm appalled that TESCO can get away with such appalling practices and I wonder why they're not fined millions of pounds!

With regards the shooting, I'd gladly accept an invitation to join you on a hunt (if you consider me to be decent enough.. ). I'd be more Del Boy than Ronnie Rose but I'd get involved! Hopefully our paths will cross at some point.

AW

 

[JustOne]

I don't normally enter into debates on this subject with those (usually urban, Tesco-shopping omnivores!) who are anti-fieldsports as invariably, their views are totally entrenched and any logical argument is ignored in favour of an emotive, often hysterical response rendering the debate pointless. However in this instance, the bunny hugging replies on this thread are so simple minded, ignorant, ill-informed and frankly prejudiced that I am prepared to make an exception.

Haha! LOLOL... you ALWAYS enter into these discussions, always!


I think it's proper funny that you have to defend your views on shooting as I have to defend mine when it comes to the golf swing.

What was it you said above...

"replies on this thread are so simple minded, ignorant, ill-informed and frankly prejudiced that I am prepared to make an exception. So fire away and tell me how evil I am and I will respond and correct your misinformed view"

I feel your pain.


You are without doubt the Shoot & Type guru! :thup:

 

[Dodger]

Haha! LOLOL... you ALWAYS enter into these discussions, always!


I think it's proper funny that you have to defend your views on shooting as I have to defend mine when it comes to the golf swing.

What was it you said above...

"replies on this thread are so simple minded, ignorant, ill-informed and frankly prejudiced that I am prepared to make an exception. So fire away and tell me how evil I am and I will respond and correct your misinformed view"

I feel your pain.


You are without doubt the Shoot & Type guru! :thup:

Aye but the thing is though I bet you Snelly's gun works.....

 

[richart]

I would just like to say I could get no enjoyment out of killing something in the name of sport, and for that reason I am out.

 

[JustOne]

I'd go shooting with Snelly any time he feels fit to invite me :thup:

...and let him do the cooking!

 

[AuburnWarrior]

I'd go shooting with Snelly any time he feels fit to invite me :thup:

...and let him do the cooking!

We could make it a forum meet. A fairly strange forum meet but a forum meet nonetheless!! oo:

 

[chrisd]

I buy most of my meat direct from farmers, half a pig, a lamb, beef in bulk and it cheaper and really does, strange as it sounds, taste like real meat!



Chris

 

[bigslice]

We could make it a forum meet. A fairly strange forum meet but a forum meet nonetheless!! oo:

would could see who has the smallest shotgun, i would win them banks dont rob themselves

 

[AuburnWarrior]

would could see who has the smallest shotgun, i would win them banks dont rob themselves

I was going to say that I could source my own gun but it'd be sawn off and probably wanted by the Met's finest.. :smirk:

 

[JustOne]

My uncle used to make shotguns, that is until he turned one on himself

He made them for Prince Charles and Prince Philip amongst others, he was a top craftsman.

 

[patricks148]

I would just like to say I could get no enjoyment out of killing something in the name of sport, and for that reason I am out.

What about in the name of Dinner?

 

[richart]

What about in the name of Dinner?

Prefer to leave it to the butcher. Just don't see what the fun is in shooting something for your own enjoyment. On the road I also swerve to avoid squirrels, badgers, foxes, and small children.

 

[AuburnWarrior]

Prefer to leave it to the butcher. Just don't see what the fun is in shooting something for your own enjoyment. On the road I also swerve to avoid squirrels, badgers, foxes, and small children.

Fool!!

Small children are worth 500 points.. :smirk:

 

[patricks148]

Well, I'm happy to say i've never shot a Squirrel ( we have Reds up here buti would happily run over a grey) a badger or a Fox, or even a small child.

You would happily eat a factory reared animal then?

I usually eat eveything i shoot, execpt a scabby looking pigeon i shot a few years ago.

 

[richart]

I live in the country, and the biggest danger on the roads around me is deer. These are not like Bambi but huge beggars, and if you hit one front on, they are over your bonnet and through the windscreen They also have absolutely no road sense, and if you miss one there is usually another following closely behind.

 

[richart]

You would happily eat a factory reared animal then?

You seem to be missing my point. I personally get no 'enjoyment' in killing animals, so it is not a 'sport' for me. I also don't get any enjoyment from playing squash, hockey, lacrosse and netball, but I have no objection to others playing.