Sorry to bring this up again!!!!

[JustOne]

Just playing at arbitration between the 2 camps for a minute......

In all the stuff I've read about this on the internet, it says the ball starts closer to the face angle than swingpath. About 80% of the initial ball direction is due to face angle and the other 20% due to the swingpath.

If a golfer is pointing the club face at the tree, but swinging along a line 10yds to the left of the target, then the ball should start 2yds left of target and has a chance of missing the tree.

Maybe everyone's right :clap:

LOL... if you're aiming at the middle of the tree it would need to be no wider than 1.49m from trunk to tip of branch (85%:15% ratio).

 

[JustOne]

what i meant to say or what i thought i was saying was the body etc has to be left of the line you want th ball to start so you can create the side spin.so the clubface should be aiming where you intend to start the ball.

wind yer neck in ffs.

It was a general venting of frustration, not aimed at you (or anyone for that matter) a 'head against the keyboard' moment.

I apologise if you were offended.

 

[Scouser]

Because he's right

Justone the new on line coach.....

Bob the smiley coach! :clap:

 

[Mattyboy]

I am with Justone - Having limited knowledge of physics, I have tried both and can only seem to push fade the ball to the right of the target unles the feet are say 15 yards left and the club facing left about half of that (being right handed of course). I also tend to weaken my grip a little
Why not try both down at the range?

 

[Imurg]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[richart]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stub your typing finger ?:rofl:

 

[Imurg]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stub your typing finger ?:rofl:

Guarantee - anyone trying this anytime soon will do a Fragger.........

MadAdey's gonna have so much junk in his head it'll explode.

 

[richart]

I tried to hook a little chip around one of our water fountains last Saturday. Amazing how far a ball can fly backwards off brick.

 

[MashieNiblick]

As someone taught the old method I'd like to say thanks to JustOne for the nice simple diagram illustrating this and that if ever the phrase a picture can paint a 1000 words was true it is here.

I can now see exactly the issue and it makes complete sense. :thup:

I almost can't wait to go behind a tree (it won't take long) to give it a try.

Thanks again.

 

[RobbOnTheRock]

I'm going to stick with trying to hit it straight !

Ditto, it's a far bigger challeng, I already know how to slice it

 

[DaveM]

Thank lads. Sorry I started it again. But I learnt the old way. Just needed to check, that the things I now have in my head were right. Thanks James&Bob. Going to practice Fading and Drawing this weekend.

Going to do both the old way and the new way. Think this will be the best way to see the differance between the two. Should be interesting and fun.(Most likely have less hair when I have finished lol.)

 

[Region3]

So, would you use the same method (ball back in the stance and slightly open face) to hit a draw with a driver?

Just a 5-10yd one, not hooking around a tree!

 

[bobmac]

In your case Gary, definitely not

 

[Monty_Brown]

So, would you use the same method (ball back in the stance and slightly open face) to hit a draw with a driver?

Just a 5-10yd one, not hooking around a tree!

Certainly to hit a controlled draw that does not end up left of the desired target, the idea is to have the face open to the target, but the swingpath going in to outside RELATIVE TO THE CLUBFACE.

So for example, if the club face is 5* open to the target line, the swing must be in excess of 5* outside target line (in to out) to produce draw spin. If the clubface aims at the target and you swing outside that angle, you will impart draw spin, but it will set off almost at the target and the draw will take it left of the desired target.

This is the third thread in as many days on this issue... if that's what it takes, it'll be worth it. It's one of the most misunderstood parts of the game, by pros and AMs alike

I am a recent convert to the Stack and Tilt book. Even if you don't beleive in it as a swing technique, their understanding and explanation of how the ball reacts to the club should be compulsory reading for any golfer.

 

[Andy]

Buy Golf World. Justin Rose shows you how to hit both.

 

[One Planer]

Buy Golf World. Justin Rose shows you how to hit both.

In fairness Justin was trying to hit it straight :rofl:

 

[Region3]

In your case Gary, definitely not

Because of something I already do wrong?

I only asked because if that's the way to do it, I shan't bother and just stick to trying to hit it straight. I'd feel like ball further back and opening the face wasn't fair for the horses in the field 60yds right of our 7th fairway!

 

[bobmac]

Because of something I already do wrong?

I only asked because if that's the way to do it, I shan't bother and just stick to trying to hit it straight. I'd feel like ball further back and opening the face wasn't fair for the horses in the field 60yds right of our 7th fairway!

You tend to get a little in front of the ball at impact which is why you dont hit it very high

 

[chunkiesgreat]

You tend to get a little in front of the ball at impact which is why you dont hit it very high

I have this very problem, but i am trying to get it sorted this winter with a few lessons and a lot of practice.

 

[Region3]

You tend to get a little in front of the ball at impact which is why you dont hit it very high

Thanks Bob. Is that the old bendy front leg? If so I'm trying to stop it... honest!