So..... What is the best way to work out h/capping???

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After more 'bandit' threads what IS the best way to work out h/caps?

Is it the current system? It can't be, else we wouldn't be having these discussions

Is it the US system where you average your best 10 rounds out of the last 20?

What about starting your h/cap fresh every year based on your best round?

What do you think would be a VIABLE method?
 
JustOne said:
After more 'bandit' threads what IS the best way to work out h/caps?

Is it the current system? It can't be, else we wouldn't be having these discussions

Is it the US system where you average your best 10 rounds out of the last 20?

What about starting your h/cap fresh every year based on your best round?

What do you think would be a VIABLE method?
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The current system works for me and should do for everyone as long as they play regular competitions so why change it:mmm:
 
i am not sure there is too much wrong with the current system i believe most instances of rapid improvement are available, but it comes down to the indivual player and handicap commitee to implement the rules. Are there really as many bandits around as perceived or just a few playing the sytem and or working hard on there games and reaping the rewards. Whatever system you use it will always be open to abuse.
 
Whatever the system (or anything that is mathematically or statistically calculated) people who want to circumvent it will do.
People who are truly bandits (and not the ones that we joke about) go out intentionally to "beat" the system, a new system just means new methods to circumvent.
I work in an industry that is driven by targets that are derived from calculated means and aggregates, it never surprises me when we find employees who have found ways to bend the system to their needs.
 
Hand in a card for every round you play. No more gimmies or 'leather wedge' shots away from staked trees. Everything is medal play from now on.

It'll take 4 1/2 hours to get round, but you'll have no more bandits, so we'll have 50% less moaning threads on here ;)

Or everyone plays off of 3/4s all the time.

Or you take up darts.

It's definitely one of those things.
 
pbrown7582 said:
i am not sure there is too much wrong with the current system i believe most instances of rapid improvement are available, but it comes down to the indivual player and handicap commitee to implement the rules. Are there really as many bandits around as perceived or just a few playing the sytem and or working hard on there games and reaping the rewards. Whatever system you use it will always be open to abuse.
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exactly

the bandits are operating outside the system now - 20 years ago they were inside it and cleaning up on Captains Day etc; so progress has been made!

put slightly differently the bandits are operating in events that are choosing to operate outside the system

it ain't broke
 
JustOne said:
After more 'bandit' threads what IS the best way to work out h/caps?

Is it the current system? It can't be, else we wouldn't be having these discussions

Is it the US system where you average your best 10 rounds out of the last 20?

What about starting your h/cap fresh every year based on your best round?

What do you think would be a VIABLE method?
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Surely what first needs to be addressed is what the handicap actually is?

It should be representative of your very best round of golf. My best round is 5 shots under my current handicap (25) for a 92. Surely my handicap should be much closer to 20 than it is, because that's what i'm capable of.

Only when people's handicaps reflect their very best round will it be easier to create a fairer system for adjustments.

It'd be nice if members playing bounce game stopped the 'gimme's' and submitted cards each week. Ok the round might be 20 minutes longer, but it ensures an accurate card is signed for at the end of the round.
 
Any form of handicapping depends on the members.
And if some were missing when they handed out honesty and integrity, I just wish Congu would let h/secs deal with them swiftly when discovered instead of tying their hands in red tape.
 
Why must we have handicaps at all?

Whoever shoots the lowest score wins. If you want to give lesser players the opportunity to win then place people in divisions based on scoring averages.

The bandit thread was hilarious. It seems most competitions where something is at stake are a complete farce.
 
They are in every club and whilst its hard to catch them actually doing it there has to be some sort of trend to there scores.
What i would do is take there scores for the hardest indexs on the course and take an average over 2years. Obviously they will play the course well below their current handicap in the big competitions so rather than cut in 0.3's cut them full shots for every shot better than par. But still give it back in 0.1's
 
As a starting point then why don't we make the max 18 for both men & woman cos lets face it if you need more than one shot a hole then you should not be out there holding them that can play the game up:rofl:

Join the diggers society instead of digging up our fairways:whoo:

I must stress I would like to reduce the above amount but feel it's a good starting point.
 
The current system works reasonably well but as has been said it relies on the honesty of individuals and handicap/comp secs having the balls to act decisively. Stories of people 'managing' their handicaps do filter back to clubs but it is up to the clubs to act on the stories. When I was h'cap sec I heard of an individual scooping prizes at away comps I researched them, and then chopped their legs off. When threatened, I offered to suspend their handicap and let the County Union deal with it - sorted. Again, for home comps the whisper goes around, e.g. "Joe said he was only gonna finish in the buffer zone so he said he was gonna knock it OB, and did." You then trawl Joe's cards and see a trend - a direct, quiet word works but then you get a rep of being a xxxxxx.

Ideally, every club holding an Open comp should be able to access a central database to confirm an individual's h'cap prior to them playing but in truth the clubs aren't interested - its been tried by IIRC the AA & a.n.other company.

BAN the cheats from the game, but you'll need some solid evidence. Once there's been a few bans cheats will either be out of the game or stop cheating.
 
Gareth said:
Can I ask what was wrong with the system previous to the one we currently use?
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I think general play cuts were to much at the handicap sec discretion and also didn't take into account scoring conditions on the day so SSS was used to work any adjustments out whether the CSS works any better is another but let's not go there! :-)
 
Imurg said:
Aw! Why not?
Haven't had a good CSS whinge for days.....
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Seeing as you asked...

Why is it a sliding system of Catagories for handicaps, e.g. Cat 4 lose 0.4, but CSS is fixed for all Cats? Its bl00dy painful playing your socks off in Cat1, shooting a couple under par/SSS and then finding CSS has dropped by 2!

Breathe in, hold and relax 2,3,4...
 
kid2 said:
They are in every club and whilst its hard to catch them actually doing it there has to be some sort of trend to there scores.
What i would do is take there scores for the hardest indexs on the course and take an average over 2years. Obviously they will play the course well below their current handicap in the big competitions so rather than cut in 0.3's cut them full shots for every shot better than par. But still give it back in 0.1's
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in the good old days you were cut 3 full shots if you broke the ss. and did not go back up till end of season review. a round took max 3hrs
 
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