Whilst agreeing with you that it's ridiculous.
If teams a s can be charged for their fans racist chants, fighting or letting of flares then I'd say in fifas eyes they're equally responsible for poppies.
So wearing a Poppy is Political !
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Whilst agreeing with you that it's ridiculous.
If teams a s can be charged for their fans racist chants, fighting or letting of flares then I'd say in fifas eyes they're equally responsible for poppies.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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What if they'd worn a white poppy? Not sure of them in any case - at a simplistic level they take from RBL fundraising.
I think the charge against Wales is less about the fans and more about the pre-arranged turning of cards to show a poppy in the crowd, the military with poppies in the tunnel and by the tunnel entrance.
Once you accept that Fifa saw the poppy as political, like it or not they do, then all of those things that happened on the night were bound to bite them. It was almost childish in that the players could not wear poppies but we will have poppies showing nearly everywhere else.
We also expect Fifa or Uefa to punish clubs or international teams when fans shout offensive things, display political banners etc so this is just an extension of this. Again, you have to look at this from the starting point of the poppy is political in their eyes. If you don't do that then you will not grasp the rest of it. (sorry, this is a repeat of Papas point)
Once you accept that Fifa saw the poppy as political, like it or not they do, then all of those things that happened on the night were bound to bite them. It was almost childish in that the players could not wear poppies but we will have poppies showing nearly everywhere else.
We also expect Fifa or Uefa to punish clubs or international teams when fans shout offensive things, display political banners etc so this is just an extension of this. Again, you have to look at this from the starting point of the poppy is political in their eyes. If you don't do that then you will not grasp the rest of it. (sorry, this is a repeat of Papas point)
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I accept FIFA see the poppy as poilitical, the fans wearing poppies is listed as a seperate charge to the other chargeds you mention, the other charges Wales and NI organised so again no issue with FIFA bringing them into play, but are they now saying Teams are responsible for what a fan turns up in?
Next England match I go with a T'Shirt say "Liberal Democrats support England" and the Lib Dem badge on it and FIFA are within their rights to charge England as my Shirt is political?
bobmac
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As long as it says 'Other political parties are available' on the back you should be all right
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Quality :rofl: cheers Bob.
I think this stems from far right groups in Russia or Eastern Europe bearing slogans or Old Firm matches with religious comments etc. They expect stewards to remove them so yes, the country or club is responsible if they don't. How they expect stewards to remove 50,000 poppies I don't know so the Welsh FA would need to have asked fans not to wear them for the night as it would cost them a fine. You then have to hope that the fans understand and comply. The club or country is responsible for the fans in a stadium, for their behaviour, chants, slogans etc. Harsh or not that is how it works.
bobmac
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Bearing in mind how many millionaires there are in football around the world, can a few not get together and form a breakaway body to rival Fifa, they could call it Fexit.
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Nope, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one matey, Wales and NI complied with FIFA's ruling by not wearing the Poppy on the shirts or armbands, no other comment was made by FIFA about commemoration and acts of remembrance, that's why both the Welsh and NI FA's are fighting it, bit of irony that the FIFA official at the England v Scotland game that reported them both was......Welsh😃
I like the last sentence although to be fair he didn't have much choice. I don't have a beef over this but I can see that once Fifa said no to the poppy then they had to be consistent over the charges. I don't think any of the home nations needed to pick a fight over this, it could easily have been avoided.
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FIFA could've sent anyone to be official delegate, does make you wonder if it was on purpose.
Just a thought and a bit extreme, how come FIFA sanctioned the armbands etc for the England v France game after the Paris attacks? surely acts of terrorism are political aren't they.
Can of worms Paul, can of worms. I am sure our press and respective FA's will be keeping a very close eye on matches around the world in future for examples of double standards on this subject.
To be fair sending a Welsh delegate saved on flights and possibly hotels. Has Fifa finally stopped wasting money? Ha ha, maybe.
To be fair sending a Welsh delegate saved on flights and possibly hotels. Has Fifa finally stopped wasting money? Ha ha, maybe.
Sweep
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Does FIFA have jurisdiction over Premier League matches?
The reason I ask is that the Premier League is supporting the Rainbow Laces campaign in support of the LGBT community this weekend. If poppies are political isn't this campaign political too? Come to that, who decides what is political and what isn't?
As an aside, for me football is way too full of its own importance nowadays. Main streets in Manchester closed down on an important Thursday night for retailers so the police can walk supporters to Old Trafford for what was actually a second rate European game of little importance (and I am a United fan) is a good example. FIFA have shown themselves up for what they are over the last few years and the poppy thing is a prime example. The death of people in wars is way more important than football will ever be. If I was the FA I would say enough is enough and just leave FIFA and sit back and watch the whole pathetic corrupt fest crumble. At least we wouldn't have to endure a bent WC in Russia or in some far flung desert.
The reason I ask is that the Premier League is supporting the Rainbow Laces campaign in support of the LGBT community this weekend. If poppies are political isn't this campaign political too? Come to that, who decides what is political and what isn't?
As an aside, for me football is way too full of its own importance nowadays. Main streets in Manchester closed down on an important Thursday night for retailers so the police can walk supporters to Old Trafford for what was actually a second rate European game of little importance (and I am a United fan) is a good example. FIFA have shown themselves up for what they are over the last few years and the poppy thing is a prime example. The death of people in wars is way more important than football will ever be. If I was the FA I would say enough is enough and just leave FIFA and sit back and watch the whole pathetic corrupt fest crumble. At least we wouldn't have to endure a bent WC in Russia or in some far flung desert.
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FIFA has no say over PL and UEFA only has say in European Comps
Sweep
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So you can see the potential for double standards
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Completely, that was my point about the France game, awful outrage and rightly acknowledge, but still political
Well the fines have been announced, Not sure how Fifa can fine various amounts? England £35k, Wales & Scotland £15.5k each and Northern Ireland £12k for displaying poppies during matches!
Is it means tested :smirk:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38368144
Is it means tested :smirk:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38368144
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I doubt it - two years ago St Johnstone were fined £14,300 for a wee laddie waving a Palestinian flag at a Europa League match - and like most Scottish clubs we are not exactly rolling in it.
palindromicbob
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And the Republic of Ireland were fined less than £4000. All an absolute joke. Think they just plucked numbers out of thin air.
ColchesterFC
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Chile have been fined £30k for homophobic chants from the crowd. England get fined £35k for wearing a poppy. Is it any wonder that lots of people regard FIFA as a corrupt joke of an organisation?
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