Is a millionaire rich nowadays?

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Sunday Times Rich List UK is always interesting reading each year.

For 2024 we have the Grosvenor Family (Duke of Westminster) way down in 14th place with £10.13 billion.
In 20th place the Coates family (Bet365) with £7.47 billion.

Way way down in a very lowly 350th place is Sir Lewis Hamilton with a piddling £350 million.
Looks like someone may have joined the list by scooping 177m on euromillion…
 

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the lifetime limit was scrapped from the start of this tax year - now just an annual 60k limit although this can be reduced in two scenarios:
1. If your adjusted income is over 260k per year - the allowance reduces by £1 for every £2 over this to a minimum annual allowance of 10k
2. You have accessed your pension flexibly, triggering the MPAA, which reduces the 60k to 10k

I had celebrated that abolishing, but then I heard it was going to get rolled back - because it is politically unpopular as banker bonuses. Glad to hear it is staying. Why would you want to stop people to pay into their pensions?
 

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I had celebrated that abolishing, but then I heard it was going to get rolled back - because it is politically unpopular as banker bonuses. Glad to hear it is staying. Why would you want to stop people to pay into their pensions?

I agree. all these rules are crazy. The annual limit and tax going in and coming out (marginal rates) should be permanently protected so people can plan their long-term retirement. And redcicing it for big earneres (260k+) seems alsomadness as even the max for someone say earning 500k is a lot lower % than someone on 100k. Just unnecessary complication of the tax code>
 

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I agree. all these rules are crazy. The annual limit and tax going in and coming out (marginal rates) should be permanently protected so people can plan their long-term retirement. And redcicing it for big earneres (260k+) seems alsomadness as even the max for someone say earning 500k is a lot lower % than someone on 100k. Just unnecessary complication of the tax code>
It serves a cottage industry of accountants and wealth planners. 260 can be breached if some on is on commissions and has a bumper year or two.
I saw a video somewhere about the impact of allowance between 100-125k. The nett impact of losing your allowance was similar to a 60% tax slab between 100-125 .. it is bonkers

(Update).. a video
 

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It serves a cottage industry of accountants and wealth planners. 260 can be breached if some on is on commissions and has a bumper year or two.
I saw a video somewhere about the impact of allowance between 100-125k. The nett impact of losing your allowance was similar to a 60% tax slab between 100-125 .. it is bonkers

(Update).. a video

Yes. One of the worst aspects of the tax system and so unfair. It is actually 62% as you also have 2% NI. Taking away the personal allowance is plain wrong making people who earn 125k the highest marginal tax payers in the country - much higher than, say Denise Coats and her 500m salary. it also creates lost of complications for paying tax and often you need to adjust for the following years. Add into the mix other losses such as Child allowance (or whatever it is called), i remember losing this in circa 2009.
 

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if i get that kind of money, i would not worry where i am on that list... (maybe thats why i never win)

See I never really interested in that kind of money , I'd settle for 500k, clear the mortgage. New kitchen , solid wall insulation and then build a golf SIM where my summer house currently is.

That would free up 2k a month (after the car would be cleared) and just carry on working . Lots of free cash to spend on holidays etc but still have something to do every day
 

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What are the 7 points?
1) Financial Openness:
Americans freely discuss salary, deals and revenue.
Brits are guarded and awkward on money matters.

2) Belief In Possibility
Discuss big plans in America: “Why not!?”
In the UK: “Why bother?”
One culture expands, the other stifles.

3) Rising Tide Mentality
Americans celebrate wins with genuine infectious enthusiasm. It’s all: “LET’S GOs” high-fives, celebrations.
Brits tut, cringe with impotent envy, and think “who does he think he is!?”
One attitude lifts all boats. The other sinks them.

4) Learning Focus
Every win shared triggered rapid-fire questions:
• "What worked?"
• "How'd you do it?"
• "Can you teach me?"
Americans study success. Brits suspect it.

5) Risk Tolerance
"Failure" in America's proof you took a big swing and missed … this time.
In the UK, it’s like a generational stain we try scrubbing off quietly behind closed doors.
No wonder America scales while Britain stagnates

6) Speed of Execution
US: "Let's make it happen" Jump on a call. Refer through networks. Action-first mentality.
UK: "Let's be realistic". List all problems first. Worst-case scenarios. Every reason NOT to try.
They ship while we shuffle.

7) Follow The Money
Britain will lose nearly 10,000 millionaires this year.
The US is forecast to gain nearly 4,000.
Capital flows where it’s respected, not resented.

The cost of British cynicism:
• Our markets shrink while theirs grow
• Our talent leaves while theirs arrives
• Our companies stay small while theirs scale
 

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1) Financial Openness:
Americans freely discuss salary, deals and revenue.
Brits are guarded and awkward on money matters.

2) Belief In Possibility
Discuss big plans in America: “Why not!?”
In the UK: “Why bother?”
One culture expands, the other stifles.

3) Rising Tide Mentality
Americans celebrate wins with genuine infectious enthusiasm. It’s all: “LET’S GOs” high-fives, celebrations.
Brits tut, cringe with impotent envy, and think “who does he think he is!?”
One attitude lifts all boats. The other sinks them.

4) Learning Focus
Every win shared triggered rapid-fire questions:
• "What worked?"
• "How'd you do it?"
• "Can you teach me?"
Americans study success. Brits suspect it.

5) Risk Tolerance
"Failure" in America's proof you took a big swing and missed … this time.
In the UK, it’s like a generational stain we try scrubbing off quietly behind closed doors.
No wonder America scales while Britain stagnates

6) Speed of Execution
US: "Let's make it happen" Jump on a call. Refer through networks. Action-first mentality.
UK: "Let's be realistic". List all problems first. Worst-case scenarios. Every reason NOT to try.
They ship while we shuffle.

7) Follow The Money
Britain will lose nearly 10,000 millionaires this year.
The US is forecast to gain nearly 4,000.
Capital flows where it’s respected, not resented.

The cost of British cynicism:
• Our markets shrink while theirs grow
• Our talent leaves while theirs arrives
• Our companies stay small while theirs scale
Why is he pretending that America is thriving right now? :ROFLMAO:
 

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I don't think anyone would dispute there is a different mindset between the US and UK, frankly US and anywhere. A good chunk of that is click bait though. It's also assuming everything is rosy in US companies, it isn't. Big generalisations and it would be simple enough to do a counter post knocking lumps out of the US mindset.
 

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Why is he pretending that America is thriving right now? :ROFLMAO:
because he was there for 7 day business trip..
Give me northern Europe any day.
UK, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden - far better societies to live in than the USA.

The 7-point list is fiction.
Drivel.
I think if I could combine the Nordic way of life (and pension) with the weather and food of Spain/Portugal... then it would be heaven
 
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