drdel
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So FIFA has decided Poppy Day is a political statement so England footballers must not wear them.
Worlds gone made with pseudo PC views.
Worlds gone made with pseudo PC views.
So wearing a Poppy is Political !
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SteveJay
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Hope the 2 Football Associations tell FIFA to get stuffed and wear them anyway.
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Always wear a Poppy with Pride, however it was political back in the 30's (White Poppy), it's nothing new, FIFA's decision will hopefully have a positive backlash for the Poppy Appeal and it gives most of us one more reason to despise them.
Look on the positive side. Great publicity for the Poppy appeal. Brings them to the forefront of the news. They'll secretly be quite happy about this.
HomerJSimpson
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Yes in the eyes of FIFA but they are totally wrong.
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It's only been the last 5 years or so that teams have started wearing poppies on shirts in fairness.
I wonder what the people who had agreed to play this match on remeberance day are thinking? If it meant as much to the FA as they're making it out to be why play the game.
If no footballer had a poppy on their shirt nobody would care. I think it boils down to clubs and the FA using it as a PR stunt imo.
I wonder what the people who had agreed to play this match on remeberance day are thinking? If it meant as much to the FA as they're making it out to be why play the game.
If no footballer had a poppy on their shirt nobody would care. I think it boils down to clubs and the FA using it as a PR stunt imo.
Rather than go through this rigmarole couldnt they just have ran poppies on the advertising hoardings and around the grounds jnstead, you dont have to wear a poppy to back it.
lobthewedge
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FIFA again shows itself as a truly disgusting organisation, to hell with them!
Doon frae Troon
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At last some sense, disgraceful decision by both English and Scottish FA's to play this game on 11th Nov.
They should hang their heads in shame.
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On what planet is it a disgraceful decision ?!
The world doesn't need to stop on that day
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Ignore it Phil, Teams wear Poppies on their shirts during their last home game leading up to Remembrance Sunday, playing Scotland or anyone on any day between 1st-13th Nov the FA would've wanted to have the Poppy on the shirt.
Some people are cynical and take for granted some of the freedoms they enjoy.
PhilTheFragger
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Glad to see Theresa May sticking the boot into FIFA at PMQ's yesterday
Bunkermagnet
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So FIFA don't allow anything other than club/country/sponsorship logo's on the shirts, so surely best way to solve the issue would be to have the poppy on the shorts. The poppy is still on display and doesn't become the subject kickabout its quickly become. The FA's could also put a large poppy picture on every seat in th stadium, then during the anthems and silence the crowds could raise their poppy card creating a field of poppies.
I fully understand and agree with its display and use, but there must be a dignity that is maintained in any discussion on it or anything to do with the show of a poppy.
I fully understand and agree with its display and use, but there must be a dignity that is maintained in any discussion on it or anything to do with the show of a poppy.
Doon frae Troon
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Re # 10........I think you will find that there are many places in the world will stop for a few minutes that day.
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I am shocked and delighted that the FA and SFA have told the sleazebags at FIFA to "naff off!" Bet we get a fine... they just love cash at FIFA!
Normally the FA just roll over........ the PM also told them to get their own house in order.
Normally the FA just roll over........ the PM also told them to get their own house in order.
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It is political, world war one was political, if FIFA have said they don't want political badges or slogans of any kind on international teams shirts than should we not stick by those rules? If FIFA dont object it does set a precedent, opens the doors for other current or historical political issues to be worn on shirts by any other member country of FIFA. The UK needs to realise it is not more important than everyone else and if you're part of a 200 or whatever country governing body you tow the line. I lost 2 great uncles in WW1 so I'm as affected by and respectful of remembrance day as anyone else but not sure this furore is really needed.
Remember a couple or three years ago the unfair pressure put on James Maclean to go against his will and wear a poppy on his Sunderland shirt, cost him his job there ultimately but he stood by his principles of seeing the poppy as representation of the British Military and their in his view oppression in Ireland, be that right or wrong those were his beliefs - that shows the poppy is a political statment for many imo.
Remember a couple or three years ago the unfair pressure put on James Maclean to go against his will and wear a poppy on his Sunderland shirt, cost him his job there ultimately but he stood by his principles of seeing the poppy as representation of the British Military and their in his view oppression in Ireland, be that right or wrong those were his beliefs - that shows the poppy is a political statment for many imo.
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Unfortunately FIFA made a rod for it's own back by allowing England to wear armbands v Spain a few years back, reading reports this morning it appears both FA's approached FIFA requesting Poppies be allowed on the shirts and had expected to be told no, but you can wear armbands.
The point blank refusal for either is what's caused the fuss.
I totally understand it being viewed as a political symbol.
The point blank refusal for either is what's caused the fuss.
I totally understand it being viewed as a political symbol.
bluewolf
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Ok, so I've been having a think about this.. There are a couple of things that don't really sit right..
One of the things that bothers me is that it appears the players are not really getting a full say in the matter.. Having the Poppy stitched into the shirt puts real pressure onto anyone who would prefer not to display it.. It forces them to make a decision. They have to actively decide not to wear the shirt. Having witnessed the vile abuse that James Maclean had to endure when at Latics from opposing fans then it wouldn't surprise me if a player chose to wear the Poppy just to avoid being targeted by small minded morons..
Secondly, when the players are on international duty, they are effectively representing the entire Country. There are a sizable minority of people who choose not to wear the Poppy in this Country, including some ex Service Men (and they are perfectly entitled to do so).. This means that the players are not actually representing the entire Country.. Feels wrong...
As has been said before. Put signs on seats and let the fans decide whether they want to hold them up.. Let the Pundits wear them if they wish. The players can wear them to and from the game.. Keep it as a personal decision..
One of the things that bothers me is that it appears the players are not really getting a full say in the matter.. Having the Poppy stitched into the shirt puts real pressure onto anyone who would prefer not to display it.. It forces them to make a decision. They have to actively decide not to wear the shirt. Having witnessed the vile abuse that James Maclean had to endure when at Latics from opposing fans then it wouldn't surprise me if a player chose to wear the Poppy just to avoid being targeted by small minded morons..
Secondly, when the players are on international duty, they are effectively representing the entire Country. There are a sizable minority of people who choose not to wear the Poppy in this Country, including some ex Service Men (and they are perfectly entitled to do so).. This means that the players are not actually representing the entire Country.. Feels wrong...
As has been said before. Put signs on seats and let the fans decide whether they want to hold them up.. Let the Pundits wear them if they wish. The players can wear them to and from the game.. Keep it as a personal decision..
Crazyface
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And she did what exactly? Words mean NOTHING.
bluewolf
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What did you want her to do? Fly over to Switzerland and kick Gianni Infantino in the balls? It's hard to make the point that the Poppy isn't political when you've got Parliament discussing it all day...
