So wearing a Poppy is Political !

[Papas1982]

FIFA state that the poppy is a political symbol

The FA clearly state it's a symbol of remembrance and that's why the players will wear a poppy - to remember not to make any political statement ( like you saw with Argentina and their Falklands flag ).

FIFA have made a decision about something that is actually nothing to do with them in regards the meaning of the poppy - the people that organise the Poppy Appeal and the people who started the Poppy rememberance all clearly state it is not a political statement - since when did FIFA believe they have the authority to change the meaning of the Poppy.

When FIFA sort out their own morals and corruption then they can start to think about making judgements about others

When they fine the FA and Scottish FA i hope both FA refuse and take it to court then they can attempt to prove it's a political statement.

The poppy is nothing to do with FIFA or indeed any other country that doesn't wish to use it as asked symbol of remembrance.

Isnt membership to FIFA effectively by invitation and strictly governed that government or outside interference is forbidden. I'd imagine an attempt to sue FIFA would just have us banned from FIFA endorsed tournaments. And that would cost us more money than FIFA.

Whether people believe it political or not. FIFA have deemed it so, as a governing body you have to accept it. Irrespective of their previous misdemeanours (bribes etc). Going against them and saying, well you do this or that her won't help. As everyone's mum always said. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You really can't be serious to dismiss how it's seen by others,
Why then do you defend people's rights not to wear one when their motive is purely political?

James McClean is freely allowed to not wear a poppy -not problems with that , I don't agree with his reasons why but he shouldn't ever be forced to wear one.

Just as no one should ever stop someone from wearing one when it's being worn for the right reasons - if any sports team wants to wear it to remember then they should be freely be able to wear it regardless of what anything thinks it means - for them it's remembrance of those fallen people and their sacrifice.

Everyone should have free will to wear one or not wear one - if someone wears one for rememberance then no one should judge or decide any different.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

James McClean is freely allowed to not wear a poppy -not problems with that , I don't agree with his reasons why but he shouldn't ever be forced to wear one.

Just as no one should ever stop someone from wearing one when it's being worn for the right reasons - if any sports team wants to wear it to remember then they should be freely be able to wear it regardless of what anything thinks it means - for them it's remembrance of those fallen people and their sacrifice.

Everyone should have free will to wear one or not wear one - if someone wears one for rememberance then no one should judge or decide any different.

Answer the question! I don't give a sh!te who does or does not wear a Poppy, was stood in the shops last week selling them and I'll be stood this week, people ignore you and people chat, if someone then told me they won't buy one because they are against the Government they ARE seeing it as a Political symbol, what McClean does or doesn't do is up to him, but his reasons in YOUR opinion is wrong, because he sees it as a Political symbol and you keep saying it's not!
You're judging FIFA saying it's a Political symbol, I don't care how they view it, they've set a precedent and can't change their minds.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Answer the question! I don't give a sh!te who does or does not wear a Poppy, was stood in the shops last week selling them and I'll be stood this week, people ignore you and people chat, if someone then told me they won't buy one because they are against the Government they ARE seeing it as a Political symbol, what McClean does or doesn't do is up to him, but his reasons in YOUR opinion is wrong, because he sees it as a Political symbol and you keep saying it's not!
You're judging FIFA saying it's a Political symbol, I don't care how they view it, they've set a precedent and can't change their minds.

There's a question in there ?

I defend people's free will to chose what they wear or not

James McClean or indeed anyone shouldn't be forced to wear it - I don't agree with his reasons and what he sees the poppy as but he has a choice to wear it or not

No one in FIFA is forced to wear it - they can make a decision for them but IMO they should allow countries to make their own decision to how they see the poppy and if they want to wear one or not

FIFA is attempting to remove people's rights to wear one because of how they see it - they believe everyone should see the symbol how they do - well guess what because of free will others don't see it as a political symbol and will wear it for remembrance - and I'm glad our FA are sticking to their beliefs and will exercise their right to wear one.

If that doesn't satisfy whatever question you asked I'm not sure any answer will.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There's a question in there ?

I defend people's free will to chose what they wear or not

James McClean or indeed anyone shouldn't be forced to wear it - I don't agree with his reasons and what he sees the poppy as but he has a choice to wear it or not

No one in FIFA is forced to wear it - they can make a decision for them but IMO they should allow countries to make their own decision to how they see the poppy and if they want to wear one or not

FIFA is attempting to remove people's rights to wear one because of how they see it - they believe everyone should see the symbol how they do - well guess what because of free will others don't see it as a political symbol and will wear it for remembrance - and I'm glad our FA are sticking to their beliefs and will exercise their right to wear one.

If that doesn't satisfy whatever question you asked I'm not sure any answer will.

Are you doing this on purpose? The debate/discussion whatever, is not about people wearing the Poppy, this thread is about whether it's a Political symbol, loads of people have tried to explain why and how it is to others and you keep saying it's not and talking about the rights to wear or not to wear.

Q. Is the Poppy a Political symbol to some?

A.



Please feel free to fill in the answer, not whether you, me or anyone else agrees with them.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are you doing this on purpose? The debate/discussion whatever, is not about people wearing the Poppy, this thread is about whether it's a Political symbol, loads of people have tried to explain why and how it is to others and you keep saying it's not and talking about the rights to wear or not to wear.

Q. Is the Poppy a Political symbol to some?

A.



Please feel free to fill in the answer, not whether you, me or anyone else agrees with them.

Here is my first post on the matter

Please read it carefully and i have even highlighted the appropiate area for you to help you out

No one should ever be forced to wear a poppy or indeed any symbol of rememberance - it's very sad for me that for some the poppy has turned into a political symbol and that for some it represents War Crimes or other incidents that have happened that has included the UK Armed Forces - at times the meaning of the poppy has been hi jacked which again IMO is wrong

For me it will always be about remembering those people a hundred years back and I will always wear one to remember them , I have organised getting the poppy flag for the club to put on the 16th and I'm proud of our armed forces past and present.

No one should ever be told they shouldn't be allowed to wear a poppy in the same way no one should ever be told they must wear one. James McClean is a perfect example - I don't agree with the poppy being a symbol for what happened in Derry but understand he has a right to be able to chose to wear one or not , same if any of the England or Scotland players didn't want to wear one - they should be able to make that choice without fear of repercussion- same if people did chose to wear one. James McClean has stated many times that he respects and remembers what people did in the World Wars and that's all anyone can ask

That's all I would ever ask of anyone - try and see passed all the political nonsense and take a moment to remember the fallen and that doesn't have to involve wearing a poppy

I think maybe you should just take a moment and actually read what im posting and remembering people post from a point of their own opinion. If you cant do that then its not worth responding

 

[Deleted member 16999]

FIFA state that the poppy is a political symbol

The FA clearly state it's a symbol of remembrance and that's why the players will wear a poppy - to remember not to make any political statement ( like you saw with Argentina and their Falklands flag ).

FIFA have made a decision about something that is actually nothing to do with them in regards the meaning of the poppy - the people that organise the Poppy Appeal and the people who started the Poppy rememberance all clearly state it is not a political statement - since when did FIFA believe they have the authority to change the meaning of the Poppy.

When FIFA sort out their own morals and corruption then they can start to think about making judgements about others

When they fine the FA and Scottish FA i hope both FA refuse and take it to court then they can attempt to prove it's a political statement.

The poppy is nothing to do with FIFA or indeed any other country that doesn't wish to use it as asked symbol of remembrance.

For all one of your earlier posts made a lot of sense, you can't then post this one and dismiss how others see the Poppy, stating FIFA have no authority to change the meaning, neither does McClean or anyone who sees it as a Political symbol, the wearing of one is irrelevant to how it's viewed by those opposed to the Poppy, FIFA have decided it is a Political Symbol.

 

[Sweep]

I don't think there are there any WWI soldiers still alive ?

And certainly not many who died between 1914 and 1918.
You know, I never thought about it that way. That's OK then. Let's just forget about them.

 

[Sweep]

It's a great shame, but the poppy, an act of remembrance, has been politicised by some. However, if some have a problem with it then that is what it is, their problem. I wear mine as an act of remembrance for those who gave their lives for me. To ensure we never forget them or the wars they fought. To ensure children get to learn about these times in history, how they came about and what happened. Because, if we don't learn from history, all those people will have died in vain.

If we turn our backs on those who sacrificed their lives for us to prevent the professionally offended becoming offended then they died in vain and it will all happen again.

 

[Old Skier]

If only the Americans and French new they were going to cause so much controversy

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And certainly not many who died between 1914 and 1918.
You know, I never thought about it that way. That's OK then. Let's just forget about them.

It was a reply to 'looking after them'. Nothing whatsoever to do about forgetting them.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

FIFA have made it political. That doesn't excuse it, but in relation to the football team, it has decided the poppy is a political statement. As members of Fifa, in my opinion England and Scotland have an obligation to abide the rules laid down but their governing body. It doesn't diminish the meaning of the poppy and individual's right to wear it, but it never be used as a point scoring symbol. I hope once the game is over and Fifa impose whatever penalty they inevitably will, that the poppy can return to simply being what it is, a poignant symbol for those that gave their life for their country

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

FIFA have made it political. That doesn't excuse it, but in relation to the football team, it has decided the poppy is a political statement. As members of Fifa, in my opinion England and Scotland have an obligation to abide the rules laid down but their governing body. It doesn't diminish the meaning of the poppy and individual's right to wear it, but it never be used as a point scoring symbol. I hope once the game is over and Fifa impose whatever penalty they inevitably will, that the poppy can return to simply being what it is, a poignant symbol for those that gave their life for their country

I agree - the poppy has unfortunately become a 'pawn' in the battle of egos that is the FA vs FIFA.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I agree - the poppy has unfortunately become a 'pawn' in the battle of egos that is the FA vs FIFA.

Did you see Andy Murray wear one on his shirt in the final today? Caused no offence, maybe FIFA should learn from Tennis or Rugby governing bodies.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

No one should ever be forced to wear a poppy or indeed any symbol of rememberance - it's very sad for me that for some the poppy has turned into a political symbol and that for some it represents War Crimes or other incidents that have happened that has included the UK Armed Forces - at times the meaning of the poppy has been hi jacked which again IMO is wrong

For me it will always be about remembering those people a hundred years back and I will always wear one to remember them , I have organised getting the poppy flag for the club to put on the 16th and I'm proud of our armed forces past and present.

No one should ever be told they shouldn't be allowed to wear a poppy in the same way no one should ever be told they must wear one. James McClean is a perfect example - I don't agree with the poppy being a symbol for what happened in Derry but understand he has a right to be able to chose to wear one or not , same if any of the England or Scotland players didn't want to wear one - they should be able to make that choice without fear of repercussion- same if people did chose to wear one. James McClean has stated many times that he respects and remembers what people did in the World Wars and that's all anyone can ask

That's all I would ever ask of anyone - try and see passed all the political nonsense and take a moment to remember the fallen and that doesn't have to involve wearing a poppy

Random question (slightly offtopic). How come the 16th? Would the 11th not work better? Not criticising at all, I just assume there must be some logic to the 16th and I'm nosy. Is it to do with the year?

 

[Old Skier]

Random question (slightly offtopic). How come the 16th? Would the 11th not work better? Not criticising at all, I just assume there must be some logic to the 16th and I'm nosy. Is it to do with the year?

Good question but I think you'll find they have been out a few years and it's 2016

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Random question (slightly offtopic). How come the 16th? Would the 11th not work better? Not criticising at all, I just assume there must be some logic to the 16th and I'm nosy. Is it to do with the year?

Yeah

The flag is commemorating the 100 years since the Battle of the Somme which was 1916

 

[Liverbirdie]

On the 25th of December 1914, the British & German armies managed to stop slaughtering each other for long enough to play a game of football and share a beer.

From what I've read they were warned by the generals not to do it as they would be classed as "fraternising with the enemy" the following year.

Maybe the generals were future FIFA officials.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Yeah

The flag is commemorating the 100 years since the Battle of the Somme which was 1916

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Ahh ok that makes sense then! Knew there would be a logic somewhere I was missing

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Whether we agreed or disagreed with FIFA banning poppies they have today launched an investigation and charges into Wales and NI whose teams didn't wear armbands, one of the chargies is "The wearing of poppies by fans in the stand"
Completely ridiculous, are they seriously expecting teams to be responsible for that.