wjemather
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Not true. Other than technology finally being used (which was coming anyway) the processes are exactly the same: pre-register, play golf, submit score.
So this is handicap manipulation right?
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Arthur Wedge
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Unless of course under the handicap of 4.5 and if the supplementary scores were put on the system the very next which at a lot of clubs didn’t happen
So yes - it is true that it’s easier now
Neilds
Assistant Pro
It may well be easier, but in the example posed recently, just how much did the players handicap actually move? His HI probably only went up a couple of decimal places and would this even affect his PH? Probably all a storm in a very small tea cup
Arthur Wedge
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Anyone who puts in a scorecard before a comp with the intention of removing a good score to enable a HC increase is manipulating their HC
As it always was. Anyway, you are assuming that there was an intention of removing a good score. People may just be playing and putting in a card as the authorities want
.Not everything has to be a conspiracy
Arthur Wedge
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As it always was. Anyway, you are assuming that there was an intention of removing a good score. People may just be playing and putting in a card as the authorities want
Not everything has to be a conspiracy
If as the post says they haven’t put in a single score card GP at the home course you can make a fair assumption
rulefan
Tour Winner
sole intention
and presumably knowing he would have a sufficiently poor score when he declared his intent to play a qualifying round.
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wjemather
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It's an assumption for sure; but you'd need a lot more evidence to support it being a fair one.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
How has the current system made it easier?
I do not know what system you had under the UHS, where I play it was simply walk in to proshop, sign the book and return the card at the end of the round.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
How many GP cards could a Cat 1 put in ?
When was the supplementary card put onto your HC record ? Overnight ?
What if the pro shop is shut ?
rulefan
Tour Winner
How can a player return a qualifying card for a match?
Arthur Wedge
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That’s not what he is saying though
D-S
Well-known member
There appears to be a key assumption being made here and that is that the player deliberately played badly when playing the GP round in order to increase their handicap.
By submitting a GP card under this system or the last, or playing in a qualifying comp, the player risks reducing their handicap as well as also possibly increasing it.
Are we accusing the player of falsifying their score or not trying in this round? These are serious allegations.
You could also say that playing in a comp just before the match or submitting a GP card they were possibly trying to reduce their handicap, a noble gesture to ensure that the match was going to be played with the latest, most up to dat demonstrated ability.
By submitting a GP card under this system or the last, or playing in a qualifying comp, the player risks reducing their handicap as well as also possibly increasing it.
Are we accusing the player of falsifying their score or not trying in this round? These are serious allegations.
You could also say that playing in a comp just before the match or submitting a GP card they were possibly trying to reduce their handicap, a noble gesture to ensure that the match was going to be played with the latest, most up to dat demonstrated ability.
wjemather
Well-known member
Category 1 (which was only ~5% of golfers with CONGU handicaps) restrictions, clubs (presumably yours) doing a poor job, and the pro shop being closed are pretty weak arguments.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
But valid arguments
As for clubs doing a poor job - poor comment but not surprising
But I’m not aware of any clubs that had the ability for someone to be submitting scorecards created that day into the system overnight
Can you also confirm how you could put GP from other clubs ?
It’s a simple fact that the technology being used makes it easier for people to submit GP scores - that’s why they created it
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wjemather
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It's not unreasonable to describe 'not processing supplementary scores in a timely fashion' as doing a poor job.
"I’m not aware of any clubs..." No, of course you're not; there is no reason for you to be aware of what clubs other than your own do/did.
Yes, technology is supposed to make things easier. Software to facilitate supplementary/gp score submissions was being implemented with or without WHS.
D-S
Well-known member
It is fairly ridiculous to believe that we would have still had manual submission for supplementary scores in 2025 if UHS was still in force. The world has moved on considerably in the past 5 years.
Swango1980
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Only if they intentionally played badly to ensure a worse score.
Arthur Wedge
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It’s very hard to make judgments on something that didnt happen
It’s amazing how defensive at times some get
It is very simple
It’s easier since the introduction of WHS to enter GP scores home and away because of the EG app that was brought in
It allowed the HC to be updating overnight and daily which we all know didn’t happen at most clubs when people entered supplementary cards in the past and also we couldn’t enter cards from away courses
It’s very much be stated by many that its one of the main positives of WHS
