So how would you fix the football problems?

[Paul_Stewart]

As in "it was a penalty"/"no it wasn't"/"it crossed the line"/"no it didn't"/"he dived"/"it was a stonewall penalty" etc etc etc

My background is with the NFL and instant replay has been part of the game for the past 20 years. But they do not replay judgement calls such as pass interference which is an official's interpretation. As in a penalty in football.

They do review whether a player was in bounds or not, if a fumble had occured etc. And there are rules on challenges (two per coach and all scoring plays and plays inside the last two minutes of a half).

So would it work for football?

I would love to see it tried. The first 3pm game to finish at 5.30 would put an end to that. And if you did replay penalties, how would you prove one way or the other? In the NFL, there has to be insurmountable proof that the decision was wrong. And we have all seen how cricket replays on catches just don't work.

How about two referees per game? They tried this in ice hockey a few years back in 25% of the games. And it worked superbly so now it is part of the game.

You can talk about referee's consistency but everyone is different because they are human. And this is where a manager's hypocrisy comes in as one week they are bleating about a challenge and the following week, one of their players commits hari-kiri and it is "he's not that kind of player".

There is no perfect solution but something needs to be done to cut down on 95% of the calls to TalkShite and about 80% of the football posts on every forum!!

Whaddya think?

 

[Leftie]

Don't get me going but, as a starter ......

Allow retrospective punishments based on video evidence for (provable) diving. Ban a guilty player for (say) a month and the wages he would have got go to a suitable charity.

Do not stop play if a player falls over and writhes around in agony (unless the ref hears the sound of breaking bone) and if he is still on the floor when the ball next goes out of play then as he might actually be injured, remove him from the field of play and have a neutral doctor advise whether he can continue or a sub should be allowed.

Send refs to rugby ref coaching schools.

 

[jammag]

Don't get me going but, as a starter ......

Allow retrospective punishments based on video evidence for (provable) diving. Ban a guilty player for (say) a month and the wages he would have got go to a suitable charity.

Do not stop play if a player falls over and writhes around in agony (unless the ref hears the sound of breaking bone) and if he is still on the floor when the ball next goes out of play then as he might actually be injured, remove him from the field of play and have a neutral doctor advise whether he can continue or a sub should be allowed.

Send refs to rugby ref coaching schools.

A referee is only meant to stop play for a serious injury which is usually a bone crunching tackle or a head injury.

To the original point hawkeye have come up with ways or determining whether a ball crosses the line and have proved it but FIFA have stopped then trialling it in professional games. I believe they was going to trial it the Emirates cup but FIFA banned it.

The retrospective punishment works to an extent but it will only go so far as your typical local league player will get away with a dive etc. Plus in the professional game a player takes a dive wins a penalty then gets banned for 3 games doesnt make a difference because he has already got the goal and maybe points in a previous game.

The biggest problem comes from players not respecting officials. I up until last year was playing ridgeons league football where you get 3 officials at every game. Now this helps massively as you have 2 extra views on things not seen. You also have a linesman patrolling the benches where problems can occur. Then you go into local league football where you have 1 referee and they dont get the respect and end up being a whistle blower in the middle of a punch up.

All the respect for officials comes from the premier league players showing a lack of it which makes others think they can do the same.

They could do what rugby officials do and have them miked up for tv so they could hear what is being said.

Its a tough one to introduce video referee for a quick paced sport that isnt start stop and a phase of play could last 5 minutes.

 

[Dodger]

Easy................


Let Levein be in charge of every team in the world,fans would drift away,sponsors would run for the hills,clubs would die and there would be no such game as Association Football.

Problem solved.

 

[vig]

Don't get me going but, as a starter ......

Allow retrospective punishments based on video evidence for (provable) diving. Ban a guilty player for (say) a month and the wages he would have got go to a suitable charity.

Do not stop play if a player falls over and writhes around in agony (unless the ref hears the sound of breaking bone) and if he is still on the floor when the ball next goes out of play then as he might actually be injured, remove him from the field of play and have a neutral doctor advise whether he can continue or a sub should be allowed.

Send refs to rugby ref coaching schools.

Pretty much agree with the above with the addition of the ref gets to kick the cheat in the knackers if he thinks he has been conned.

 

[bladeplayer]

Would only work at top level where tv is involved , allow 3 queries like the tennis , if you are correct you still have 3 if its wrong you loose one .. shouldnt take long .. the 4th official has technology there beside him, goal line technology would solve the most common contraversal ones .. i totaly agree a panel made up of ex officials should review "cheating" be it dives or whatever .. suspensions & fines as suggested & a league table of cheaters published , kinda name & shame them

 

[Paul_Stewart]

I was involved a radio discussion in the States on this instant replay thing and an interesting potential situation arose.

Say Chelsea are attacking and a shot bounces down off the crossbar and is cleared away. The players appeal for a goal - the ball goes upfield, Man Utd break away and score.

The referee checks the instant replay at the first break in play which was the United goal. Replay proves that Chelsea have scored and United haven't.

Outside of probably giving Alex Ferguson a fatal coronary, would players and fans accept this in reality?

I do totally agree with video evidence of cheating after a game. And make the punishments serious - three games for a first offense, six games for a second one and then giving someone full handicap in a match for any further offenses.

 

[d2cko]

I often think that the FA should have a 'Dubious Dive Panel' (TM). They would look at dives/challenges and decide if the player has gone down too easy. They would have the power to revoke red and yellow cards from innocent players but they wouldn't punish the diving player personally. They would deduct 1 point from his team per dive, up to 3pts per game.

Diving would stop instantly!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Sadly there is little correlation between US sports which are dictated by TV revenue and advertising income and there play when the sponsor says so timing and sports like football. There is definitely a place for goal-line technology and inch by inch it is getting there. The chances of one side scoring a dubious goal and the other side going down the other end before a review is slim to remote anyway and so a review will be able to take place.

Sadly until FIFA grow some balls (and I win the Open) diving or simulation will blight the game. Whilst some blatant divers are getting a reputation and booked these days there are too many players going down without contact looking for an advantage. If you were to apply the letter of the law to each incident retrospectively it'll become 7-a-side. I do think players need to show respect and the rugby 10 yard thing would seem the obvious answer but I'm pretty sure they trialled it a few seasons back without much success and we've had refs miked up but that just resulted in the premature death of 16 bleep buttons. Whilst football is a multi million pound industry money will talk and players will seek to win at all costs in the hope of securing that next big transfer payout

 

[d2cko]

Whilst football is a multi million pound industry money will talk and players will seek to win at all costs in the hope of securing that next big transfer payout

Exactly why my 'Dubious Dive Panel' (TM) would work! You start taking points away from teams and they are going to lose money, a lot more money than fining a player. The managers will stop them diving straight away.

 

[GB72]

Punish retrospectively based on video evidence and punish hard. Apply 3 match bans and then for every 5 or so offences, start taking points off the club. Will only take one team to be relegated or miss out on the champions league for ill discipline for cheating to stop.

Make it an instant yellow card offence for anyone other than the captain to talk to the referee.

 

[d2cko]

Make it an instant yellow card offence for anyone other than the captain to talk to the referee.

Completely agree. I also thing that the sin bin is a great idea for a yellow card. A lot can happen if you lose a player for 10 mins.

 

[bladeplayer]

Say Chelsea are attacking and a shot bounces down off the crossbar and is cleared away. The players appeal for a goal - the ball goes upfield, Man Utd break away and score.

The referee checks the instant replay at the first break in play which was the United goal. Replay proves that Chelsea have scored and United haven't.

yea we discussed this aswell paul .. 2 things . 1 play is stopped, this would have to have regulations to prevent teams using it to stop a quick break against then.. other option which may be more workable is for play to continue , ref has his arm in the air as per indirect free kick, so every knows the gmae is continuing under review .. just ideas we bounced around one night in the committe room aka the pub.. thoughts ?

 

[d2cko]

I think we need goal line tecnology but I don't think that play should be stopped in order to carry out a review. It has to be something that can alert the ref immediately.

If the game were to carry on under review, with the ref holding his arm up or something of the like, what happens if the ball doesn't go out for about 15 mins? And say after the review the team is deemed to have scored, do we wind the clock back 15 min and crack on from there? The players would be knackered.

Maybe if the technology is not advanced enough we could just stick another 2 officials on the goal line next to the post whose sole job is to see if the ball crosses the line.

 

[bladeplayer]

Sorry mate i wasnt clear enough there, (i didnt mean for goal line i meant pens not given etc) the review thing is carried out by the 4th official, they have the head phones on, the decision should take cpl a mins tops , if the appeal fails the hand comes down & game continues if its sucesful the game stops & goes back for the pen etc .. thing is that as ref has hand up, there is no doubt the decision is under review..limit to 1 appeal per half say , this would work hand in hand with the goal line technology which will be automatic electronic alerts , not man made,, as for off side goals well game is stopped anyhow so that be an easy appeal system to set up .. Saying all this would we lose/miss all the contraversy if this happens ? something may be done about the cheats tho ,, def name & shame ,,

 

[chris661]

Sorry mate i wasnt clear enough there, (i didnt mean for goal line i meant pens not given etc) the review thing is carried out by the 4th official, they have the head phones on, the decision should take cpl a mins tops , if the appeal fails the hand comes down & game continues if its sucesful the game stops & goes back for the pen etc .. thing is that as ref has hand up, there is no doubt the decision is under review..limit to 1 appeal per half say , this would work hand in hand with the goal line technology which will be automatic electronic alerts , not man made,, as for off side goals well game is stopped anyhow so that be an easy appeal system to set up .. Saying all this would we lose/miss all the contraversy if this happens ? something may be done about the cheats tho ,, def name & shame ,,

Bill why do you use double coma's and full stops?

Football is ruined and until they stop cheating it will continue to be rubbish.

 

[d2cko]

Ahhh, yes now I like the hand up review type thingy. That's so simple! How have FIFA/The FA not thought of this?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Ahhh, yes now I like the hand up review type thingy. That's so simple! How have FIFA/The FA not thought of this?

Because it is simple. Haven't you seen they way they make the Europa and Champions league draws, not to mention UEFA and World cups so complicated in order to make sure the best sides get the easiest routes

 

[bladeplayer]

Sorry mate i wasnt clear enough there, (i didnt mean for goal line i meant pens not given etc) the review thing is carried out by the 4th official, they have the head phones on, the decision should take cpl a mins tops , if the appeal fails the hand comes down & game continues if its sucesful the game stops & goes back for the pen etc .. thing is that as ref has hand up, there is no doubt the decision is under review..limit to 1 appeal per half say , this would work hand in hand with the goal line technology which will be automatic electronic alerts , not man made,, as for off side goals well game is stopped anyhow so that be an easy appeal system to set up .. Saying all this would we lose/miss all the contraversy if this happens ? something may be done about the cheats tho ,, def name & shame ,,

Bill why do you use double coma's and full stops?

because 3 would look silly ...,,,

 

[bladeplayer]

Ahhh, yes now I like the hand up review type thingy. That's so simple! How have FIFA/The FA not thought of this?

TRADEMARK moment ha