garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
agree with this!
Simon Dyson hearing
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agree with this!
Foxholer
Blackballed
Er. These are not 'fellow Professionals' imo. Neither is competing in the same Tour as SD.
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I never said they were ?
Well Roe is still a registered pro golfer
But both a PGA coaches and on national telly are calling him a cheat - it's not looking good for him.
It is a rule that Sunday choppers like you and I all know.
It is as well known as what happens when you lose a ball.
Yet Dyson still tapped it down.
My opinion is he's a cheat. Just look at his reaction after he did it,he is shifty looking at the best of times but by christ he was fidgeting on speed seconds after the tap down.
He has got lucky with his rap on the knuckles but the fact he is a cheat will linger for life and rightly so.
It is as well known as what happens when you lose a ball.
Yet Dyson still tapped it down.
My opinion is he's a cheat. Just look at his reaction after he did it,he is shifty looking at the best of times but by christ he was fidgeting on speed seconds after the tap down.
He has got lucky with his rap on the knuckles but the fact he is a cheat will linger for life and rightly so.
100% correct, he cheated plain and simple.
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Spuddy
Challenge Tour Pro
Ok, did Rory cheat as well? By your logic, he must have, the difference being that he was informed before signing his card.
Tommo21
Tour Winner
Yeh......never changed my opinion. I've never seen that at club level in 40 years.
Pro Zach
Assistant Pro
The decision statement is contradictory and/or ambiguous. I can't see whether they decided he cheated or not.
If they think he did cheat, the penalty is too lenient. If they think he didn't it is too harsh.
Still, if you think the statement: “On becoming a Member each person voluntarily submits himself to standards of behaviour and ethical conduct beyond those required of ordinary golfers and members of the public†are very important words, instead of the meaningless drivel it is, then perhaps you shouldn't be ruling on anything.
If they think he did cheat, the penalty is too lenient. If they think he didn't it is too harsh.
Still, if you think the statement: “On becoming a Member each person voluntarily submits himself to standards of behaviour and ethical conduct beyond those required of ordinary golfers and members of the public†are very important words, instead of the meaningless drivel it is, then perhaps you shouldn't be ruling on anything.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Could Dyson have fixed that spike mark before he hit his first putt?
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Colin L
Tour Winner
You cannot make a repair on the green (other than to a ball mark or old hole plug) if it might help you in the subsequent play of the hole and since Dyson's putt ended up close to whatever it was he tapped down, the repair was obviously in an area where his next stroke would have been helped by the repair. So no he could't have fixed it before the first putt.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
thanks :thup:
williamalex1
Money List Winner
I would have thought that no one can repair any spike marks on the green, until everyone in his game had putted out.
richart
Major Champion
I haven't read the whole of this thread, but to me there seems to be two problems with what Dyson did, and I find it difficult to believe both were unintentional mistakes.
Firstly he pushed down a spike mark with his ball. To me a professional golfer would just not do this, it is not a natural act even if his brain had switched off. For arguments sake lets say he did do it accidentally, then secondly he must have realised as soon as he had done it his mistake and should then have called a penalty on himself which he didn't.
When I watched the video the first time, I noticed the large spike mark as soon as his ball rolled past the hole, and thought it could finish on his line. He must have seen it as he walked up to his ball, so had time to engage his golf brain.
Just my opinion of course.
Firstly he pushed down a spike mark with his ball. To me a professional golfer would just not do this, it is not a natural act even if his brain had switched off. For arguments sake lets say he did do it accidentally, then secondly he must have realised as soon as he had done it his mistake and should then have called a penalty on himself which he didn't.
When I watched the video the first time, I noticed the large spike mark as soon as his ball rolled past the hole, and thought it could finish on his line. He must have seen it as he walked up to his ball, so had time to engage his golf brain.
Just my opinion of course.
Khamelion
Tour Winner
Like Richart I've read the entire thread, but having now seen the video on the web, his actions do look intentional and therefore he must suffer the consequences.
What he was thinking is anyone's guess? But he's been caught by trial by TV, which is probably wrong, but it also begs the question how many others flout the rules when there's no camera's around?
What he was thinking is anyone's guess? But he's been caught by trial by TV, which is probably wrong, but it also begs the question how many others flout the rules when there's no camera's around?
Foxholer
Blackballed
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
I think the impact & wording of the suspension has been overlooked somewhat. As I understand it for the next 18 months he can’t breach any rule of golf without the matter being referred back to the panel
5. Accordingly, the Panel decided as follows:
(a) to impose upon Mr Dyson a period of suspension from the Tour of two months, but to suspend its operation for a period of 18 months. The effect of this is that, if during that 18 month period, Mr Dyson commits any breach of the Rules of Golf, his case will be referred back to the Panel to determine whether in the circumstances the suspension should immediately become effective.
He & his caddy are going to have to be on their toes...
From what I can see many rules of golf have a penalty written in as part of the rule i.e Ball Moves after Address is a one shot penalty but a breach of that rule would occur by not adding the penalty. While other rules of golf (like carrying an extra club) only have the penalty applied as a breach of the rule
To put that in perspective with a few examples:
• If he starts a round with an extra club the matter is referred to the panel to consider if the 2 month suspended ban should be enforced even if he put down the correct score + penalty
• If the caddy lingers too long on the line of putt on the putting green & stroke made, the matter is referred to the panel to consider if the 2 month suspended ban should be enforced even if he put down the correct score + penalty
• If he touches the sand in a bunker with his club during address the matter is referred to the panel to consider if the 2 month suspended ban should be enforced even if he put down the correct score + penalty
• It means if he touches the line of his putt again and takes the two shot penalty and records it on his card and signs for the correct score, he will still have the incident referred back to the panel
Notwithstanding that Pro’s shouldn’t be doing any of the above they do happen & it must surely add a bit of pressure to a players mental game
5. Accordingly, the Panel decided as follows:
(a) to impose upon Mr Dyson a period of suspension from the Tour of two months, but to suspend its operation for a period of 18 months. The effect of this is that, if during that 18 month period, Mr Dyson commits any breach of the Rules of Golf, his case will be referred back to the Panel to determine whether in the circumstances the suspension should immediately become effective.
He & his caddy are going to have to be on their toes...
From what I can see many rules of golf have a penalty written in as part of the rule i.e Ball Moves after Address is a one shot penalty but a breach of that rule would occur by not adding the penalty. While other rules of golf (like carrying an extra club) only have the penalty applied as a breach of the rule
To put that in perspective with a few examples:
• If he starts a round with an extra club the matter is referred to the panel to consider if the 2 month suspended ban should be enforced even if he put down the correct score + penalty
• If the caddy lingers too long on the line of putt on the putting green & stroke made, the matter is referred to the panel to consider if the 2 month suspended ban should be enforced even if he put down the correct score + penalty
• If he touches the sand in a bunker with his club during address the matter is referred to the panel to consider if the 2 month suspended ban should be enforced even if he put down the correct score + penalty
• It means if he touches the line of his putt again and takes the two shot penalty and records it on his card and signs for the correct score, he will still have the incident referred back to the panel
Notwithstanding that Pro’s shouldn’t be doing any of the above they do happen & it must surely add a bit of pressure to a players mental game
El Bandito
Q-School Graduate
from the statement:
(ii) the fact, as the Panel found, that Mr Dyson’s conduct on the occasion in question involved a momentary aberration on his part, not a premeditated act of cheating; and
That is why I struggle with the definitive statements that he is 'a cheat'. I guess nobody knows what was going on in his head except him and everyone will form their own opinions
chrisd
Major Champion
I would think that he is entitled to breach the rules of golf but not to overlook it, so to need pulling up later if]someone reports him later, after all, every player breaks the rules at some stage during the season
