Simon Dyson hearing

[Spuddy]

Didn't Donald notice Rory's mistake and not actually him ?

Dyson didn't actually realise what he had done and when shown then realised he made a mistake

Exactly, neither player knew themselves that they had cocked up

 

[doublebogey7]

Exactly, neither player knew themselves that they had cocked up

Clearly Rory did as he added the penalty at the time. Yes Luke pointed it out to him , but who's to say Rory would not have realised anyway.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Clearly Rory did as he added the penalty at the time. Yes Luke pointed it out to him , but who's to say Rory would not have realised anyway.

He only added the penalty after being told by Donald.

 

[doublebogey7]

Didn't Donald notice Rory's mistake and not actually him ?

Dyson didn't actually realise what he had done and when shown then realised he made a mistake

You mean when confronted with the obvious. That's not to say I believe SD cheated, but there is a clear difference between the two cases.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You mean when confronted with the obvious. That's not to say I believe SD cheated, but there is a clear difference between the two cases.

Is there ? In what way ?

 

[doublebogey7]

He only added the penalty after being told by Donald.

Yes but Donald pointed it out to him immediately we do not know whether given more time Rory may well have realised anyway. SD had hours to realise and clealry did not.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes but Donald pointed it out to him immediately we do not know whether given more time Rory may well have realised anyway. SD had hours to realise and clealry did not.

You're right you don't know - Rory was lucky that Donald pointed it out to him.

No one pointed it out it Dyson so he didn't realise just like Rory didnt realise.

 

[Foxholer]

Yes but Donald pointed it out to him immediately we do not know whether given more time Rory may well have realised anyway.....

Sorry. Even in the context of this thread, that's just so much rubbish!

 

[williamalex1]

Is there ? In what way ?

Rory submitted a correct score card with penalty points added Simple Simon didn't add his penalty points on his card, so submitted a incorrect score.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Rory submitted a correct score card with penalty points added Simple Simon didn't add his penalty points on his card, so submitted a incorrect score.

Only because someone pointed out he mistake.

What do you think Dyson would have done if someone had pointed out his mistake ?

 

[chrisd]

You're right you don't know - Rory was lucky that Donald pointed it out to him.

No one pointed it out it Dyson so he didn't realise just like Rory didnt realise.

I would suggest that even amongst pros that Rory's offence was a rule less likely to be known than SD's

 

[El Bandito]

I just watched the Sky Sports guys Pugh and Roe take a tough line, both using the word cheat. I read the judgement as that he clearly intentionally tapped down the spike mark, he admits he knows that is illegal and therefore is guilty of a breach. The ruling then says that it does not believe the action was premeditated, that there was no intention to cheat...brain fart does seem the mot juste.

as this is Golf, where we really don't want the 'professional' foul to take off, he has been given a dressing down and a fine.

im not sure I see him as having a tarnished reputation, I see him has having made a cock up, been done for it and that's the end of it...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I just watched the Sky Sports guys Pugh and Roe take a tough line, both using the word cheat. I read the judgement as that he clearly intentionally tapped down the spike mark, he admits he knows that is illegal and therefore is guilty of a breach. The ruling then says that it does not believe the action was premeditated, that there was no intention to cheat...brain fart does seem the mot juste.

as this is Golf, where we really don't want the 'professional' foul to take off, he has been given a dressing down and a fine.

im not sure I see him as having a tarnished reputation, I see him has having made a cock up, been done for it and that's the end of it...

You say his rep isn't tarnished but also mention both Roe and Pugh use the word cheat ?

 

[Spuddy]

Rory admitted himself that he didn't realise it was an error until Donald pointed it out. Do people seriously think he would have had an epiphany after the fact but before submitting his card? If one of Dyson's playing partners had spotted his mistake and told him it was a penalty I bet he would have had the same reaction as Rory, i.e. Oops, of course I shouldn't have tapped it down, mark me down for a 2 stroke penalty.

 

[El Bandito]

You say his rep isn't tarnished but also mention both Roe and Pugh use the word cheat ?

Fair point. I can only control what I think, and I don't seem him has having cheated...certainly those two gents are comfortable using that word. I just happen to disagree with them.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Fair point. I can only control what I think, and I don't seem him has having cheated...certainly those two gents are comfortable using that word. I just happen to disagree with them.

Yeah understand where you are coming from as well

I certainly don't think he is a cheat but believe he will be tarnished that way - media will start it all off

 

[doublebogey7]

Is there ? In what way ?

Ok lets I'll try once more. Rory whilst removing sand from the fringe of the green is advised by his playing partner that it is against the rules to do so. Rory immediately realises his error, having forgot that sand may only be removed from the line of put when on the green, and adds a 2 shot penalty to his score. We do not know whether Rory would or wouldn't have realised the error before submitting his card has Luke not said anything.

SD taps down a spike mark in front of his ball when marking it, spike marks may not be tapped down when on the line in any circumstance. No one had the time notices, but SD has a considerable amount of time to realise the error before submitting his card and fails to do so.

Now you may think the differences do not warrant different treatment but there are clear differences between the two.

 

[El Bandito]

Yeah understand where you are coming from as well

I certainly don't think he is a cheat but believe he will be tarnished that way - media will start it all off

Well, they already have, and we are probably adding fuel to the fire.

However, I guess that the lasting verdict will be the written statement of the tour (which I found pretty reasonable) and how SDs fellow pros regard him, of which I have heard nothing as yet.

 

[rulefan]

Simon Dyson

http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/news/newsid=213822.html

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well, they already have, and we are probably adding fuel to the fire.

However, I guess that the lasting verdict will be the written statement of the tour (which I found pretty reasonable) and how SDs fellow pros regard him, of which I have heard nothing as yet.

Well just heard what both Roe and Pugh have said.

Calling him a cheat and saying he has been found guilty of cheating.