Simon Dyson hearing

[Deleted member 15344]

Does a red card stop there by simply being sent off, no, they made a mistake, their sent from the field and then its adjudicated more dependent on the seriousness of the offence, no different IMO.

Does every DQ go to a three man panel ?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So they are contradicting themselves because that's saying he broke the rules to gain an advantage on purpose - ie cheating

It is perfectly possible for someone to do something that gains an advantage without being a cheat. i.e. by performing an action by mistake as they are saying Dyson did.

Exactly the same as Rory when he brushed the sand off of the fringe, he clearly did that to gain an advantage, but did it by mistake.

The is nothing contradictory or untoward going on here, the investigation has been carried out and they have decided that while he broke the rules, it wasn't a premeditated act of cheating. Case closed - or at least it should be but unfortunately some folk will never let it go.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It is perfectly possible for someone to do something that gains an advantage without being a cheat. i.e. by performing an action by mistake as they are saying Dyson did.

Exactly the same as Rory when he brushed the sand off of the fringe, he clearly did that to gain an advantage, but did it by mistake.

The is nothing contradictory or untoward going on here, the investigation has been carried out and they have decided that while he broke the rules, it wasn't a premeditated act of cheating. Case closed - or at least it should be but unfortunately some folk will never let it go.

So why wasn't Rory hauled before a three man committee and then punished further ?

Or when people take incorrect drops ?

So much inconsistency about the whole situation

I believe he has made a mistake and I believe that this punishment has now ruined his reputation.

 

[In_The_Rough]

Dyson has earned just over 9.5 million Euros in his career, add in sponsorships and the fine is neither here nor their. What has been damaged is his reputation and that will stick with him for a long time if not forever

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Can someone please post a link to the whole thing instead of misleading snippets ?

Why is the punishment so severe if they believe it was a mistake ?

You could always look on the ET website

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So why wasn't Rory hauled before a three man committee and then punished further ?

Or when people take incorrect drops ?

So much inconsistency about the whole situation

I believe he has made a mistake and I believe that this punishment has now ruined his reputation.

Why don't you e-mail the ET and ask them

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You could always look on the ET website

It has already been posted but thanks for the help

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why don't you e-mail the ET and ask them

Well you were so definite in your answer to my post that I guessed you knew all the answers.

You it seems it's case closed - I believe it's worth discussing further.

 

[Foxholer]

Yes they were unreliable in this occasion - i said when I posted what I did it was up to people to believe it or not . What idi don't like was people making judgements and suggesting I was craving attention.

Certainly don't feel I have anything to apologise for.

Apart from getting it seriously wrong in the following post...

I have been told by someone that works in the media department ( events ) of the ET that some players have given evidence

Now you can believe that or you can accuse me of "craving attention"

Btw. I don't think CMAC was actually referring to you in the 'craving attention' post - merely quoting your post as a reference. Not uncommon forum misconception that is tricky to correct in a forum. Robobum will be along shortly to tell you how to do it properly!

Thanks Hawkeye. The Rory sand incident was also a perfect analogy - fortunately caught before it got to the DQ stage.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Apart from getting it seriously wrong in the following post...



Btw. I don't think CMAC was actually referring to you in the 'craving attention' post - merely quoting your post as a reference. Not uncommon forum misconception that is tricky to correct in a forum. Robobum will be along shortly to tell you how to do it properly!

Thanks Hawkeye. The Rory sand incident was also a perfect analogy - fortunately caught before it got to the DQ stage.

So we know that zero players gave evidence - negative or positive ?

 

[ger147]

So why wasn't Rory hauled before a three man committee and then punished further ?

Or when people take incorrect drops ?

So much inconsistency about the whole situation

I believe he has made a mistake and I believe that this punishment has now ruined his reputation.

The official explanation for the disciplinary hearing taking place:

At the conclusion of the tournament, and having reviewed subsequent reports from Tournament Director Mikael Eriksson and Chief Referee John Paramor, it was decided by David Garland, Director of Tour Operations for The European Tour, that further action was required under The European Tour’s Code of Behaviour and Disciplinary Procedure which states:“3. Serious Breach. If, at the conclusion of an investigation into an alleged breach of the Code by a Member, it is evident that a serious breach of the Code may have occurred, then a disciplinary hearing shall take place before an independent disciplinary panel.”

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Not quite sure how I feel about this to be fair. After all the speculation in the media that he would be hit with a massive punishment I would say the fine, costs and suspended ban is about fair. What it says about Dyson though and the "mud sticks" damage to his reputation, whether rightly or wrongly , is troublesome. He was DQ'd in a blaze of publicity and admitted his mistake. As there was none of this other "evidence" I think enough is now enough.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The official explanation for the disciplinary hearing taking place:

At the conclusion of the tournament, and having reviewed subsequent reports from Tournament Director Mikael Eriksson and Chief Referee John Paramor, it was decided by David Garland, Director of Tour Operations for The European Tour, that further action was required under The European Tour’s Code of Behaviour and Disciplinary Procedure which states:“3. Serious Breach. If, at the conclusion of an investigation into an alleged breach of the Code by a Member, it is evident that a serious breach of the Code may have occurred, then a disciplinary hearing shall take place before an independent disciplinary panel.”

Trying to grab the basics of the decision - they have found him guilty of breaking the code but not guilty of cheating. Now the code talks about honesty and integrity about the game so is making a mistake or having a momentary lapse breaking a code ? .

I think he is ruined now - reputation in regards honesty and integrity is massive in golf.

 

[ger147]

Trying to grab the basics of the decision - they have found him guilty of breaking the code but not guilty of cheating. Now the code talks about honesty and integrity about the game so is making a mistake or having a momentary lapse breaking a code ? .

I think he is ruined now - reputation in regards honesty and integrity is massive in golf.

You would have to ask them that, I was just posting the reason for the hearing i.e. it was deemed a serious breach unlike the Rory sand incident as an example. I don't know what makes this incident a serious breach.

 

[williamalex1]

You would have to ask them that, I was just posting the reason for the hearing i.e. it was deemed a serious breach unlike the Rory sand incident as an example. I don't know what makes this incident a serious breach.

Rory called a 2 stroke penalty on himself, as soon as he realised [was told] he had committed an infringement, where as Dyson did not.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Well you were so definite in your answer to my post that I guessed you knew all the answers.

You it seems it's case closed - I believe it's worth discussing further.

What else do you want to know? He broke the code of conduct but he's not a cheat. As far as I'm concerned, no more needs to be said about it.

 

[Foxholer]

So we know that zero players gave evidence - negative or positive ?

I would think 'positive', letting his 14 years unblemished record speak for itself. In effect, that's upward of 300+ players stating, by default, they haven't noticed anything untoward. That's admittedly a slightly positive spin. Having seen the incident replayed, 'Brain Fart' seems the appropriate description - and little, if any, more than Rory's sand incident.

I don't believe his reputation is tarnished, though I bet he'll be considerably more careful and watched a bit closer in the future!

'Suspended Sentence' seems entirely appropriate to me. I'd be prepared to bet that the suspension 'falls away'.

 

[Spuddy]

Rory called a 2 stroke penalty on himself, as soon as he realised [was told] he had committed an infringement, where as Dyson did not.

In both cases, the players didn't realise they had broken a rule until someone else told them. Rory was lucky that his occurred before the card was signed to avoid being DQ'd but both players improved their line illegally. It's odd that Dyson gets hauled over the coals for it.

 

[doublebogey7]

So why wasn't Rory hauled before a three man committee and then punished further ?

Or when people take incorrect drops ?

So much inconsistency about the whole situation

.[/QUOTE
Rory realised his mistake immediately and added the appropriate penalty. SD whether he knew what he had done or not did not bring it to the attention of his marker or referee bus was only caught after a viewer called the ET. In my the ST have acted perfectly reasonably in bringing this case to a tribunal.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So why wasn't Rory hauled before a three man committee and then punished further ?

Or when people take incorrect drops ?

So much inconsistency about the whole situation

.[/QUOTE
Rory realised his mistake immediately and added the appropriate penalty. SD whether he knew what he had done or not did not bring it to the attention of his marker or referee bus was only caught after a viewer called the ET. In my the ST have acted perfectly reasonably in bringing this case to a tribunal.

Didn't Donald notice Rory's mistake and not actually him ?

Dyson didn't actually realise what he had done and when shown then realised he made a mistake