Simon Dyson hearing

[Wildrover]

give me a chance, I've at least 3 of you firing stuff at me just now :whoo:

here's my post #105 does this explain it?

Quote Originally Posted by CMAC View Post

well they cant be in a senior professional position, as betraying that position of importance just wouldnt be professional now would it? and then he told you, who then comes and posts it on a world internet forum

like I said, the world is full of these types who crave attention by saying they are 'in the know'......but you didn't hear it from me, right

Not really, "these types who crave attention" ???

 

[Wildrover]

Does anyone know what time the hearing starts? I'm sure I heard somewhere that it was being televised. Anyone know if that's true?

I seem to remember seeing somewhere that it was being streamed live but can't for the life of me remember where.

 

[Dave3498]

Are we all missing the real point here? Where are the markers in these situations? Surely it's the responsibility of the marker to pull the player up when they see that they have infringed a rule, but nobody even bothers to involve them in the discussions. You could say this about the Tiger incident in the Masters also. Rory McIlroy had a lot to thank Luke Donald for, when Donald advised him to penalise himself 2 shots for removing sand for in front of his ball when the were playing together at Abu Dhabi last year. If Donald had ignored it, Rory would have signed for the wrong score and been disqualified. As it was Rory simply slipped back a few places. I sometimes wonder whether fellow players marking cards are happy to see a rule infringement which will have a player signing for the wrong score and be disqualified. If Dyson's marker had been more astute, he would have told him about the infringement before he teed-off on the next hole.

 

[doublebogey7]

Are we all missing the real point here? Where are the markers in these situations? Surely it's the responsibility of the marker to pull the player up when they see that they have infringed a rule, but nobody even bothers to involve them in the discussions. You could say this about the Tiger incident in the Masters also. Rory McIlroy had a lot to thank Luke Donald for, when Donald advised him to penalise himself 2 shots for removing sand for in front of his ball when the were playing together at Abu Dhabi last year. If Donald had ignored it, Rory would have signed for the wrong score and been disqualified. As it was Rory simply slipped back a few places. I sometimes wonder whether fellow players marking cards are happy to see a rule infringement which will have a player signing for the wrong score and be disqualified. If Dyson's marker had been more astute, he would have told him about the infringement before he teed-off on the next hole.

That's assuming of course that the marker observed the incident.

 

[Tommo21]

Are we all missing the real point here? Where are the markers in these situations? Surely it's the responsibility of the marker to pull the player up when they see that they have infringed a rule, but nobody even bothers to involve them in the discussions. You could say this about the Tiger incident in the Masters also. Rory McIlroy had a lot to thank Luke Donald for, when Donald advised him to penalise himself 2 shots for removing sand for in front of his ball when the were playing together at Abu Dhabi last year. If Donald had ignored it, Rory would have signed for the wrong score and been disqualified. As it was Rory simply slipped back a few places. I sometimes wonder whether fellow players marking cards are happy to see a rule infringement which will have a player signing for the wrong score and be disqualified. If Dyson's marker had been more astute, he would have told him about the infringement before he teed-off on the next hole.

Do you watch everything your playing partners do...........

 

[Dave3498]

Do you watch everything your playing partners do...........

I certainly do, and so should you if your marking a competition card. You are acting on behalf of every other competitor and it's your responsibility or ensure that the score returned is within the rules. None of this "what did you get on the 18th" stuff.

 

[Foxholer]

I seem to remember seeing somewhere that it was being streamed live but can't for the life of me remember where.

Seesay?

In this case, I'm with CMAC. Until the hearing results, and any evidence, are made public everything about this is simply hearsay, gossip and rumours!

Even if any of these turn out to be true, there would be no apology required!

In fact, if it's true that there have been 'other instances', it's probably more of an issue that 'questionable activity' hasn't been challenged before.

Of quite a few Pros I know/have known to any extent, the concept of cheating in any way, or not challenging a questionable incident, was completely out of the question.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well I was only saying to the wife's sister in bed this morning, Dyson's going to get it, big style....

Tut tut - you broke law of Leviticus Ch18, v18 (btw - lots of good stuff you musn't do in Leviticus Ch18 if you are looking for rules to break)

 

[Kellfire]

£30000 fine, costs of £7500 and a two month suspended ban.

 

[virtuocity]

So it's fair to say that Simon Dyson is officially a cheater?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So it's fair to say that Simon Dyson is officially a cheater?

Has it been proven beyond all reasonable doubt ? If not then no it's not fair to call him a cheater.

 

[Kellfire]

So it's fair to say that Simon Dyson is officially a cheater?

No. They stated that they found he was NOT a cheater.

"a momentary aberration on his part, not a premeditated act of cheating."

So no. Officially you can't say that.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So after all this, they have come to the conclusion that he didn't cheat but it was a "momentary aberration" and that there is no history of misconduct.

So no other players came forward, he just made a mistake

 

[mefromhere]

I think it's fair to say that £7,500 is a lot of money to pay for 3 people to sit in a room and decide what punishment you get!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yet the punishment given doesn't seem to fit that ?

Does that mean every mistake is now going to get the same punishment

 

[pogle]

Yet the punishment given doesn't seem to fit that ?

Does that mean every mistake is now going to get the same punishment

But this part of the judgement implies it wasn't a "mistake"

3. The Panel held that charge to have been made out by the Tour. In particular, it found that:
(a) Mr Dyson’s action in touching the line of his putt was a deliberate one;
(b) that act was committed by him in the knowledge of the Rule forbidding such an act; and
(c) his purpose in so acting was to improve his position on the green by pressing down a spike mark.

i.e. He deliberately did it, he knew he shouldn't have done and he did it to gain an advantage.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But this part of the judgement implies it wasn't a "mistake"

3. The Panel held that charge to have been made out by the Tour. In particular, it found that:
(a) Mr Dyson’s action in touching the line of his putt was a deliberate one;
(b) that act was committed by him in the knowledge of the Rule forbidding such an act; and
(c) his purpose in so acting was to improve his position on the green by pressing down a spike mark.

i.e. He deliberately did it, he knew he shouldn't have done and he did it to gain an advantage.

So they are contradicting themselves because that's saying he broke the rules to gain an advantage on purpose - ie cheating

 

[mikee247]

I think the whole thing is an absolute joke. Its not only embarrassing but down right deplorable to call this guy a cheat or to even suggest it which is what they are doing. He is a nice chap and a good sport and obviously had a slight lapse in concentration. Now hes professional status will be scarred for life. :angry: These sort of actions displays golf is still living in the dark ages and does nothing to attract more players and the younger generation. It fails again to use common sense when its quite clearly called for. There is no consistency shown here at all. The Tiger Wood ball moving incident was twice as bad IMO.
Obviously he had a brief moment where he wasnt thinking (I have seen the incident) why on earth would he try that and expect to get away with it. he wouldn't. He didnt and he got DQ'd. It should have been done and dusted a long time ago and the fact that they have decided to drag it all out again and again degrade the poor guy is bloody medieval for gods sake. All this clap trap about standards and integrity etc etc is complete rubbish in this instance and displays the game and its antiquated hierarchy in the same light as it was 200 years ago. If I was Dyson I would shun the ET and go overseas and even appeal against the fine. :angry:

 

[williamalex1]

So it's fair to say that Simon Dyson is officially a cheater?

NOT AS BIG A CHEAT AS FISH ADMITS TO IN HIS POST.

 

[Fish]

NOT AS BIG A CHEAT AS FISH ADMITS TO IN HIS POST.