Ive a feeling also that the tour are going to make an example of Dyson and ban him, as has been said he's a quick player and its possible the errors are being make cos of this.As for Tiger at The Masters that was the day the honour of golf died.....
Simon Dyson hearing
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cookelad
Tour Winner
Does seem to have been blown out of proportion, making an assumption based on what Simon Dyson said at the time he's had a bit of a brain burp and has broken a rule (I agree with LiverpoolPhil that it's an unfair rule but anyway). Because of said rule break he's found himself DQ'ed from the tournament so lost his entrance & travel fees and any potential earnings, which being as high up the leaderboard as he was could have been quite substantial.
Hopefully the "hearing" will just be a case of Simon do you know what you did wrong? yes! Will you be doing it again? No! Ok see you on the 1st tee on Thursday.
Hopefully the "hearing" will just be a case of Simon do you know what you did wrong? yes! Will you be doing it again? No! Ok see you on the 1st tee on Thursday.
I wonder if the mark on the green in front of his ball was left from someone wearing adizero shoes 
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
I wonder if the mark on the green in front of his ball was left from someone wearing adizero shoes
I think the rule is you cant agree to break the rules! don't think theres any penalty for saying nothing, apart from morally wrong
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
Righto, that makes more sense! Could potentially argue by seeing a rule break, and not mentioning it, isn't that in itself "agreeing" to break the rules? It's semantics though, so lets not go down that route!
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Thank you Jezz, smoke was starting to come out of my ears!!! I found some of the earlier comments quite scary.
I played as a Pro for 8 years and anyone who has played at a decent level, county team upwards, would NEVER make that kind of error without knowing that they are cheating.
The Pro's are a pretty tight bunch and generally know 'who is at it'.
I have met Simon and he is a decent guy but I suspect he will get a lengthy ban.
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Never is quite a strong word - Dyson could have easily lost concentration and had a mind blank and not realised what he was doing - thats not trying to cheat thats making a mistake - humans make mistakes.
Jezz comes across as a man in the know.
Mmmmmmmm.:mmm:
Even if he isn't I have a feeling that things will come to light and he'll be a who will be damaged goods.
Mmmmmmmm.:mmm:
Even if he isn't I have a feeling that things will come to light and he'll be a who will be damaged goods.
I definitely think that whatever the outcome Dyson will be viewed with a certain distrust by the media, fans and probably a number of fellow pros. Out of interest, has he got any playing rights for the PGA tour. Just wondering if it may be in his interest to being lesser light there for a while rather than trying to play in a media furore at every event.
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Because he made a mistake ? I hope he carries on playing in Europe and ignores the media
People have done worse than him and haven't been treated like this
People have done worse than him and haven't been treated like this
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
In a situation like this I think it will be pretty tricky to prove that it wasn't a lapse of concentration.
With the Saltman case there were multiple instances of dodgy marking if I remember.
This is a one-off so unless SD come out and admits it, I can't see how they do more than warn him about it and maybe suspend any punishment until a further transgression.
Nobody saw it at the time, that much we know as it was down to a couple of armchair refs that this came to light.
If fellow Pros had suspicions about SD wouldn't they be keeping an eagle-eye on him..?
With the Saltman case there were multiple instances of dodgy marking if I remember.
This is a one-off so unless SD come out and admits it, I can't see how they do more than warn him about it and maybe suspend any punishment until a further transgression.
Nobody saw it at the time, that much we know as it was down to a couple of armchair refs that this came to light.
If fellow Pros had suspicions about SD wouldn't they be keeping an eagle-eye on him..?
Dodgy marking reminds me of a fella mentioned in "four iron in the soul", I believe he was a Scottish bloke who got a lifetime ban playing on the Euro tour for a ball marking infringement during qualifying for The Open, Donegan didnt mention any names but I believe referred to him as "the ballmark kid".I dont know if the fella had any other offence but a lifetime ban seemed harsh, apparently the guy had a lot of potential.
NWJocko
Tour Winner
Why scary?
There's Tigers drop incident etc. surely a breach of rules is a breach of rules no? Or is there an unwritten tier system?
I see your point, obviously I have never played to a level anywhere high enough to be as right as you all the time :ears:
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
I don't think that was his only offence he had been banned for a period before that one on another infringement.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
very harsh if he gets a lengthy ban. I have witnessed a pro address a ball, it moves a few inches, he readdressed and hit it. it was on the 18th hole with him well out of contention.
he should have called a penalty on himself. he didn't. no ban for him. I'm sure it happens more often than you would think.
he should have called a penalty on himself. he didn't. no ban for him. I'm sure it happens more often than you would think.
tyke
Head Pro
Couldn't agree more, a genuine mistake, one of those brain not working moments.
Having seen him play for many years from a young junior to a tour pro he is a true gent and certainly NOT a cheat.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
David Robertson ex Scottish wizz kid from Dunbar, of my generation. Known locally as Jumping Beans.
Banned for 20 years.
They did not mess about with deliberate cheats in those days.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Nope - Cheltenhamhacker was correct
The responsibility for knowing the Rules lies with all players. In stroke play, the player and his marker have an explicit responsibility for the correctness of the player's score card.
There may, however, be exceptional individual cases where, in order to protect the interests of every other player in the competition, it would be reasonable to expect a fellow-competitor or another competitor to bring to light a player's breach of the Rules by notifying the player, his marker or the Committee.
In such exceptional circumstances, it would be appropriate for the Committee to impose a penalty of disqualification under Rule 33-7 on a fellow-competitor or another competitor if it becomes apparent that he has failed to advise the player, his marker or the Committee of a Rules breach with the clear intention of allowing that player to return an incorrect score.
You might want to look at decisions 1-3/6, 6-6a/5 and the above is from 33-7/9
NWJocko
Tour Winner
You ever play with him DfT?
Must have been brutally obvious to get a nickname like that and a 20 year ban!
Never understood the shuffling marker thing, for the 1/4 inches someone shuffles the marker the advantage must be minimal.
