drdel
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Its reported the Police have told those taking the 'shrine' down may be charged with breach of the peace !!! The prisoners really are designing the prison.
Shrine for the career criminal
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Its reported the Police have told those taking the 'shrine' down may be charged with breach of the peace !!! The prisoners really are designing the prison.
spongebob59
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This lot were the mob that were rumoured to be behind the break in at Pedham place on the Friday before the opening of the new clubhouse and nicking everything including all the copper pipe work.
andycap
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They should put the flowers in the gutter , where his 'mate' left him.
Lazkir
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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...and/or acceptance...of a event that has happened that you cannot change. Whereas by not reacting negatively to the shrine, you are making a positive decision to try and have a positive impact on what might happen next. In doing that you are not cowering away intimidated - you are standing up and positively saying that I am willing to try and make things OK - because I don't want things to deteriorate.
Just a different way, I suggest, of looking at what can be said and done.
And if things don't change and trouble persists - well - you've done your bit so hell mend 'em.
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Lazkir
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What, like Brexit?
Anyway, it's not up to the victims to accept anything. It's for the perpetrators to stop doing what they are doing. But we know that's not going to stop, and we know the police will follow the path of least resistance and therefore target whoever is taking the flowers down.
To paraphrase a certain politician.. a little less understanding, and a lot more condemnation is what is required.
Those who continually make excuses for these pathetic excuses for human beings, only serve to give them succour and encouragement!
User2021
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PM me your address, I will pop round and nail up a load of **** on your fence.
The guy is a career criminal, praying on the elderly - anyone associated with him or offering their support is utter scum.
Imagine your own mother, not very well in bed and some utter stain of society breaking in to her house armed with tools with intent to rob and cause injury
Junior
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I appreciate its a different way of looking at it, and, yes, its the most peaceful as it does not upset those who will cause the most disruption. It's the path of least resistance for the authorities and by allowing the shrine, the police are indirectly siding the criminals and in my mind not protecting the rights of Mr and Mrs Osborn-Brooks.
Do you think its right that to 'keep the peace' an elderly pensioner and his disable wife have been forced out of their home. Their windows have had to be boarded up and CCTV has had to be installed. What do you think would have happened if they remained in their home given that they have received death threats, and threats of their house being burnt down with them in it ? Imagine working all your life, caring for your disabled wife in her elderly years, and then being forced out of the home you had worked most of your life to pay for. Those civil rights are what the police should be defending .
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SILH......you are one very deluded man.
IanM
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It is a different way of looking at it all right. But absolutely wrong and stupid.
What bit of burglary and intimidation are you struggling to understand?
What bit of burglary and intimidation are you struggling to understand?
Robster59
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Unfortunately, we have here a group of people who protect their own, no matter what. If you look at the history of what the whole family have done, not just this man, in preying on elderly and weak folk, they obviously have no morals outside their own little group.
Everyone else is fair game and heaven help anyone who crosses them. That can't be right and as has been said, there has been severe intimidation to an old man who stood up to one of them. How dare he? How dare he protect himself and his own property?
They have no real morals by conventional civilised society and until something is done to curb their behaviour, they will continue to think they can act outside the law with impunity.
Everyone else is fair game and heaven help anyone who crosses them. That can't be right and as has been said, there has been severe intimidation to an old man who stood up to one of them. How dare he? How dare he protect himself and his own property?
They have no real morals by conventional civilised society and until something is done to curb their behaviour, they will continue to think they can act outside the law with impunity.
londonlewis
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A guy has taken all the flowers down and redistibuted them among tombstones in a graveyard.
Sorry if everyone knows this. Saw a video on Twitter.
Sorry if everyone knows this. Saw a video on Twitter.
Robster59
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I can't say I'd want any flowers associated with him on my Dad's or Brothers grave.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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It's a pity that there is no room for an alternative point of view on these boards if it deviates from a hard-line. Instead all you are asking for is abuse and derision.
I am not saying that the sort of acceptance and trying to not escalate things I have suggested is necessarily the best or the most appropriate response in the circumstances of this event - but it is not without merits and worth considering - but I guess the response I have got from suggesting it is not something I need be surprised about from some on here.
That the family of the deceased seem completely oblivious to the hurt and offense they are causing and their apparent total lack of shame is a very sad reflection on them - though it may well be something they are quite happy with - and that they don't actually care what others think.
If they'd apologised and not taken the view that they have then what I have suggested might have been appropriate.
I am not saying that the sort of acceptance and trying to not escalate things I have suggested is necessarily the best or the most appropriate response in the circumstances of this event - but it is not without merits and worth considering - but I guess the response I have got from suggesting it is not something I need be surprised about from some on here.
That the family of the deceased seem completely oblivious to the hurt and offense they are causing and their apparent total lack of shame is a very sad reflection on them - though it may well be something they are quite happy with - and that they don't actually care what others think.
If they'd apologised and not taken the view that they have then what I have suggested might have been appropriate.
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IanM
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your 3rd paragraph demonstrates the foolishness of the first. That's why
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I do not consider the 1st being foolish thank you very much...I simply suggested an alternative point of view or approach to such an issue - one indeed that the Met seem to have adopted, maybe they are foolish also.
BTW - I should note that I have little if any sympathy for the guys family. I am sorry their family member died - but their subsequent actions makes it difficult for (even) me to accept my own argument.
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So, if you don't accept your own argument, is it, or isn't, a foolish one? (hint: have a GUESS)
There is room, you are giving it. The fact is though that no one else agrees with it. Reading your recent post, you don't really agree with it either. The fact is though you or anyone else is able to offer a view but it is naïve to expect a swell of support for it.
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He said difficult to accept. Difficult to accept and don't accept are not the same. A moral dilemma can make things difficult to accept but you still accept them.
Beat me to it.
The traveller's family and friends want their shrine and they want to kill the OAP and anyone who gets in their way. And when you hear them justify burglary and conning people... they are just about the lowest scum you can imagine. And the Police are saying anyone disrupting the shrine may be charged with a breach of the peace. What is illegal about removing litter?
