Shrine for the career criminal

chrisd said:
Just wait until the funeral - Im sure he'll be hailed as a hero by their community, I hope he rots in he'll
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The planned route is via the street where the crime occured, surely the police should declare this as a likely breach of the place.
 
According to ITN the intruders family and friends are marking his birthday by trying to hang Birthday balloons outside the pensioners home.
https://t.co/SVETv17v5T

what does his birthday have to do with the place of his death? Surely this is intimidation now?
 
They need to block the road off to stop any kind of funeral procession going past the house. Bunch of thieving nasty law-ignoring scrotes.
 
Breaking and entering, threatening behaviour..... ignored relation's participation in former actively participating in latter. Plenty of other cases to be taken in consideration too.

That'll do for now.

Drat, I said I wouldnt rise to any more trolling! :D
 
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IanM said:
Breaking and entering, threatening behaviour..... ignored relation's participation in former actively participating in latter.

That'll do for now.
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I was simply asking for clarification about whether the comment was in general, or specific to current events.

Because - yes - I do understand that burglary is breaking the law - but thankyou for reminding me.

The post was talking about his friends and relatives. And yes - I do know that their threatening behaviour could most certainly be construed as law-breaking under the Public Order Act - and that is why the authorities should deal with this.

But thankyou for reminding me.
 
I'm sitting in my office this morning waiting for the police to arrive to look at cctv from Saturday when about 20 traveler gentlemen gatecrashed a private party and punched people, caused damage etc etc. the party was a private birthday for a 70 year old who ended up being assaulted by these arsewipes - I'll not go further about them as I really don't want a lengthy ban !
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I was simply asking for clarification about whether the comment was in general, or specific to current events.

Because - yes - I do understand that burglary is breaking the law - but thankyou for reminding me.

The post was talking about his friends and relatives. And yes - I do know that their threatening behaviour could most certainly be construed as law-breaking under the Public Order Act - and that is why the authorities should deal with this.

But thankyou for reminding me.
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If not then it should have been.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I was simply asking for clarification about whether the comment was in general, or specific to current events.

Because - yes - I do understand that burglary is breaking the law - but thankyou for reminding me.

The post was talking about his friends and relatives. And yes - I do know that their threatening behaviour could most certainly be construed as law-breaking under the Public Order Act - and that is why the authorities should deal with this.

But thankyou for reminding me.
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To be fair, by asking the question you asked to be reminded.
I do get that you are trying to get us all to question our own consciences about an emotive subject. However, I do not believe people should be ashamed or in the least concerned that they are horrified by what has happened and in particular the way the law abiding party has been intimidated to the extent that they have had to leave their home. I do not believe people should be ashamed or concerned about their reaction to the authorities seemingly supporting the interests of the guilty party’s relatives and friends over the innocent.
These are natural reactions for any right minded and law abiding individual.
I believe that in emotive cases there is a very fine line between playing devils advocate and trolling. You seem to be questioning most people’s natural reaction whilst eventually and conveniently admitting you agree with them. This causes me to question your intentions regarding this thread.
Just my opinion.
 
Sweep said:
To be fair, by asking the question you asked to be reminded.
I do get that you are trying to get us all to question our own consciences about an emotive subject. However, I do not believe people should be ashamed or in the least concerned that they are horrified by what has happened and in particular the way the law abiding party has been intimidated to the extent that they have had to leave their home. I do not believe people should be ashamed or concerned about their reaction to the authorities seemingly supporting the interests of the guilty party’s relatives and friends over the innocent.
These are natural reactions for any right minded and law abiding individual.
I believe that in emotive cases there is a very fine line between playing devils advocate and trolling. You seem to be questioning most people’s natural reaction whilst eventually and conveniently admitting you agree with them. This causes me to question your intentions regarding this thread.
Just my opinion.
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And one I shall reflect on.
 
SILH. I admire your tenacity but think you are going to struggle to win this one despite your best persuasive efforts.

However how would your position be if it was your own wife in your home and a serious attack occurred which may have resulted in her demise?

Hypothetical I know and pleased she was not involved.
 
3offTheTee said:
SILH. I admire your tenacity but think you are going to struggle to win this one despite your best persuasive efforts.

However how would your position be if it was your own wife in your home and a serious attack occurred which may have resulted in her demise?

Hypothetical I know and pleased she was not involved.
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I am not trying to win anything on this.

I simply said that at the outset I was conflicted over the 'shrine' - seeing the upset it would cause to the locals, but the risk of making things worse by removing it; and the need for the bereaved of anyone to be able to grieve in whatever way they found best, and the hope in this case that by leaving the 'shrine' alone there might be some healing between the two communities.

Initially I felt leaving it might be best...so as not to exacerbate and to aid healing - but as it has become clear that continued aggressive and threatening behaviour by the traveller community has clearly made healing very unlikely - that community loses most if not all of the empathy I might have felt to them in their grieving.

But I still reckon the best approach is for the local community to leave the 'shrine' alone - as much as they might wish to rip it down and stamp all over it - keep the moral high ground and leave dealing with 'shrine' and the family and friends of the deceased to the police. The traveller community seem to have provocation of the locals in mind - and a wish for the locals to react - so have them fail in that. And the police can ensure that any funeral does not go down that road under the Public Order Act.

And hypothesising on an event that even in the reality has not happened is, I think, not that helpful. In any case - ask Gordon Wilson; Maureen Greaves; or the father of Stephen Lawrence, about forgiveness as opposed to holding anger and resentments over the murder of a close or dear one. I hope I might respond as they have done. But who knows.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I was simply asking for clarification about whether the comment was in general, or specific to current events.

Because - yes - I do understand that burglary is breaking the law - but thankyou for reminding me.

The post was talking about his friends and relatives. And yes - I do know that their threatening behaviour could most certainly be construed as law-breaking under the Public Order Act - and that is why the authorities should deal with this.

But thankyou for reminding me.
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His friends and family are all cut from the same cloth. They care about nobody but themselves.

This isnt a case of a good lad from a good family turned bad who has got in with the wrong crowd.

Scum.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I am not trying to win anything on this.

I simply said that at the outset I was conflicted over the 'shrine' - seeing the upset it would cause to the locals, but the risk of making things worse by removing it; and the need for the bereaved of anyone to be able to grieve in whatever way they found best, and the hope in this case that by leaving the 'shrine' alone there might be some healing between the two communities.

Initially I felt leaving it might be best...so as not to exacerbate and to aid healing - but as it has become clear that continued aggressive and threatening behaviour by the traveller community has clearly made healing very unlikely - that community loses most if not all of the empathy I might have felt to them in their grieving.

But I still reckon the best approach is for the local community to leave the 'shrine' alone - as much as they might wish to rip it down and stamp all over it - keep the moral high ground and leave dealing with 'shrine' and the family and friends of the deceased to the police. The traveller community seem to have provocation of the locals in mind - and a wish for the locals to react - so have them fail in that. And the police can ensure that any funeral does not go down that road under the Public Order Act.

And hypothesising on an event that even in the reality has not happened is, I think, not that helpful. In any case - ask Gordon Wilson; Maureen Greaves; or the father of Stephen Lawrence, about forgiveness as opposed to holding anger and resentments over the murder of a close or dear one. I hope I might respond as they have done. But who knows.
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3 examples of people showing forgiveness in a world full of murder doesn’t make it a usual response.

If if I could have gotten my hands on those responsible for my sister many years ago I would have. Fortunately he met his own demise.

That doesnt stop the grief for the lost loved one, but it did in my case at least offer a small ray of contentment.
 
Papas1982 said:
3 examples of people showing forgiveness in a world full of murder doesn’t make it a usual response.

If if I could have gotten my hands on those responsible for my sister many years ago I would have. Fortunately he met his own demise.

That doesnt stop the grief for the lost loved one, but it did in my case at least offer a small ray of contentment.
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No you are right - it doesn't - but that does not take away from the fact that there are actually plenty of folks out there living their lives as best they can, who have understood the importance of forgiveness - as very hard as it sometimes is. The three examples are simply ones that have been very prominent over the years - the individuals expressing their forgiveness of those who perpetrated the most heinous of crimes against ones they loved and still love. We can wonder how they can - but they can because they have the strength to do so and because they understand the importance of forgiveness. But it's not for everyone.

I'll add, as I must, that the above comments are not made in the context of the specific incident we are talking about here - but in general in respect of forgiveness as that is the context of my reply to @Papas1982
 
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Local radio saying the removal vans were there yesterday and looks like they are moving out.
Sad, could have been the family home and maybe now leaving because he was forced to protect his own property :rant:
 
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