MegaSteve
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Although the situation will soon disappear from the news this is an issue that will have an impact for probably years to come...
Shrine for the career criminal
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Exactly. That the circumstances of this event, and the family and friends of the deceased are not at all likeable in their attitude and behaviour, makes it very hard to have any sympathy whatsoever for their grief and for acceptance of their wish for some form of shrine. That they seem hell-bent on some form of confrontation and provocation, and not interested at all in any form of reconciliation with the Osborn-Brooks, makes things problematic for the authorities.
That said I might still suggest that the locals should be wary about doing anything that might exacerbate the situation - for their own good - but leave it in the hands of the authorities.
andycap
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They should put the flowers in the gutter , where his 'mate' left him for dead .
And i bet the travelling community are hiding him .
And i bet the travelling community are hiding him .
My god, what a load of left wing, religious, tree hugging drivel, once again the victim (the oap) is being asked to kiss and make up so the scum can have an unofficial shrine which is offensive to every normal law abiding person who sees this as it really is, travellers that are thieves and career criminals wanting their own way, or else, and even our plod are succumbing to them, which is disgraceful.
The authorities think it’s right to constantly take Lee Rigby’s tributes down as they say it looks unsightly and yet they pander to these scummy travellers in an attempt to keep the peace.
The worlds gone mad and people with the attitude of SILH don’t help and are far removed from reality looking at life through their rose tinted glasses.
Go to their camp and sprout your goodness to them whilst they pick your pockets and steel your hubcaps, your deluded beyond help, and you won’t jump the queue through the pearly gates with your ‘let’s all have a hug and it will go away thinking’, your as dangerous as them imo as your so far removed from reality and the real world it’s scary.
6 murders in Coventry in 10 days, plus 1 kidnapping and suspected murder as the body hadn’t been found yet, but evidence of a brutal attack and torture has, that’s real life and no kind words or succumbing to threats to keep the peace will change it, the real victims, not the dead pikey, are persecuted when defending what’s theirs and the scumbags are getting their own way.
Broken Britain 😡
The authorities think it’s right to constantly take Lee Rigby’s tributes down as they say it looks unsightly and yet they pander to these scummy travellers in an attempt to keep the peace.
The worlds gone mad and people with the attitude of SILH don’t help and are far removed from reality looking at life through their rose tinted glasses.
Go to their camp and sprout your goodness to them whilst they pick your pockets and steel your hubcaps, your deluded beyond help, and you won’t jump the queue through the pearly gates with your ‘let’s all have a hug and it will go away thinking’, your as dangerous as them imo as your so far removed from reality and the real world it’s scary.
6 murders in Coventry in 10 days, plus 1 kidnapping and suspected murder as the body hadn’t been found yet, but evidence of a brutal attack and torture has, that’s real life and no kind words or succumbing to threats to keep the peace will change it, the real victims, not the dead pikey, are persecuted when defending what’s theirs and the scumbags are getting their own way.
Broken Britain 😡
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Well you got that bit right - though where you found a religious aspect to the 'drivel' coming in, or why you had to bring religion into it at all I do not know.
Sweep
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Why is it people feel the need to place flowers etc at the place of a persons demise, but not if they die peacefully or otherwise in, say a hospital bed? Is it a need to show your sorrow in a public way? Is it more about what others think of you rather than what you think of the deceased?
BTW Hogie, no-one seriously believes that protecting those who purposely and continually do the wrong thing is doing the right thing. No-one seriously believes that not confronting evil will make evil people good. Rewarding evil will not make the world a better place. It will just make it an evil world. Sad but true.
If you are really so intent on doing the right thing and not just starting another wind up thread, then start thinking about the victim who was subject to an unprovoked attack in his own home and then forced from his own home. Confront evil where you see it and promote good over evil. Persuade bad people to change their ways. Those are the right things to do.
BTW Hogie, no-one seriously believes that protecting those who purposely and continually do the wrong thing is doing the right thing. No-one seriously believes that not confronting evil will make evil people good. Rewarding evil will not make the world a better place. It will just make it an evil world. Sad but true.
If you are really so intent on doing the right thing and not just starting another wind up thread, then start thinking about the victim who was subject to an unprovoked attack in his own home and then forced from his own home. Confront evil where you see it and promote good over evil. Persuade bad people to change their ways. Those are the right things to do.
Been avoiding posting on here as it was always going to get heated, but anyone who genuinely believes that this shrine is a noble honourable act is off their rocker! These travellers are well versed in imtimidation and this is further proof of it. If the oap had died, they'd have hidden the scum bag away and paid no respect to the old chap!
I wonder if these travelers pitched up at your golf course to exercise their self given right to stop over anywhere you'd welcome them with open arms? But we know that really you'd be up in arms, but yeah by all means support them in the hostile bullying of an innocent man. The thief got everything he deserved, the old boy deserves a pat on the back and to be able to live his life in peace.
I wonder if these travelers pitched up at your golf course to exercise their self given right to stop over anywhere you'd welcome them with open arms? But we know that really you'd be up in arms, but yeah by all means support them in the hostile bullying of an innocent man. The thief got everything he deserved, the old boy deserves a pat on the back and to be able to live his life in peace.
Robster59
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You got that exactly right!
User2021
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Exactly
Has his companion who left him in the gutter like a sewer rate been found yet?
Or are the travelling community protecting him away?
Tashyboy
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reminds me of the farmer, Tony Martin who shot and killed a traveller who was trying to rob him. Once more they were preying on the vulnerable. These people have no respect, and deserve none back.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I don't think anyone here is suggesting that it is.
Bunkermagnet
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No one except your protestations about we should all be thinking of the dead mans family.
Respect for humanity is an equal street, and cannot be biased towards the families of guilty and dead criminals no matter where they come from.
If the perp hadn’t been in someone else’s house brandishing a screwdriver he wouldn’t be dead, and that is no one else’s fault other than his own.
Stop defending the indefensible.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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If you read what I posted you will find that there are two aspects to what I was saying. One is that - yes - the dead man's family are due some consideration - in that they start no different from any family who has lost someone. That we don't like this lot, and that they are acting obnoxiously and provocatively makes it less likely we'll consider their concerns and feelings very much, or for very long - and that is pretty much where I stand with them. Had they acted differently or shown some contrition and shame then I might have thought otherwise.
But the other - for me possibly more important - aspect of what I have said is that - for me - it is not always worth acting on how I feel - what my will and my reactions tell me to do, if acting so takes me down a road that ends up with greater problems for myself and others. I try and look a little further down the road than 'the immediate' and aim to do the best thing for myself and the others around me in the 'turn out'.
I refute the allegation that am I even attempting to defend the indefensible where the indefensible is the actions of the perpetrator of the crime.
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If the dead man's family were showing some remorse for what he did then maybe I would agree with this but that isn't the case. From what I can see they only want 'revenge' on a pensioner whose only 'crime' was to defend himself in his own house. They cannot seem to accept that he was a wrong'un and got what was coming to him. I wonder how many times they pleaded with him not to break into houses and not to rip people off. I suspect not very often! So quite simply, they are not due any consideration from any decent law abiding citizen.
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Top Trolling as usual.... post some nonsense, then spends several days in reverse!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Sorry - I started by saying I was conflicted and I stated why. As it has become more evident as the days have gone by that the family - even in their grief - are not behaving in a way that might have afforded their grief some respect and consideration, I struggle to make any case on grounds of compassion for letting their shrine be.
But I still maintain that it is perhaps best for the locals that they stay on the moral high ground (not difficult given who they are faced-off to) and do as little as possible to exacerbate the situation. Let the authorities deal with any intimidation and issues arising - and let them remove the flowers to a separate place or let just let them wither.
BTW - I don't understand what you mean by 'trolling' and I don't know what it is.
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ADB
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Slightly different case in that Tony Martin was laying in wait to shoot the intruders so was classed as premeditated rather than self defence - doesn’t excuse the actions of the robbers but it was different.
chrisd
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Just wait until the funeral - Im sure he'll be hailed as a hero by their community, I hope he rots in he'll
There’re probably selling the TV rights to Sky, Gypsy Funerals 😜
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