Beezerk
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They are travellers mate, they don't do remorse, they only do headlong into whatever they want, sod everyone else.
Shrine for the career criminal
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They are travellers mate, they don't do remorse, they only do headlong into whatever they want, sod everyone else.
The scroat's family have said an eye for an eye. Should the local community really just turn the other cheek with that threat hanging over them? It takes two sides to find the middle ground in anything, and from the comments I've read from the traveller's side that isn't happening.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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An eye-for-an-eye threat is something quite abhorrent - but that does not stop the local community from trying to not exacerbate matters. Let the police deal with threats. Just don't give the 'scroat's' family or community grounds (as they might see them) for raging 'war' on the whole community.
bobmac
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So it's up to the local community to not upset the travellers?
In my opinion you've got it completely back to front.
Why do the victims have to back down? Its the travellers who aren't showing sensitivity to the local community. There's nothing stopping the travellers from having a shrine back at their site.
Sorry but we won't agree on this one. I'm fed up of the victims always being the ones who have to consider the poor criminals and their families. Stuff 'em as far as I'm concerned.
Orikoru
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His family are entitled to mourn his passing - but the place for flowers is his grave. Nowhere else. Certainly not outside the home of a victim of one of his crimes. The police should be ensuring any 'shrine' is removed. It could certainly be interpreted as a display of indignation designed to intimidate the poor old man.
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MegaSteve
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I think you'll find those getting involved with removing the flowers aren't from the 'local community' as such... From what I can gather many of the neighbours are elderly and were probably next on the list to be cheated/robbed and probably grateful they weren't the household attacked in the first place...
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Sometimes it is necessary to do something that you don't want to do (or not do something that you do want to do) to achieve the best outcome possible.
You have a 'hornets' nest in your garden - OK then - go ahead and kick it. Or just leave it alone and get the pest controllers in.
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One Planer
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Or set fire to it and burn them out.
I'm no advocate for violence but sometimes you have to draw a line.
bobmac
Major Champion
So you're comparing travellers with a hornets nest?
Unbelievable
I've said my piece on this and I see no reason to repeat myself.
I'm out
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I really don't know why you have taken offence...I am simply saying that what you might want to do - even might desperately want to do - is sometimes - indeed it is often - not the best or right thing to do. I do not see why that might be such a difficult concept to grasp.
If I were in the local community I might well want to tear down their 'shrine' and tell them where to go - but I am not sure that that is the best thing to do. The best thing for the community to do may well be to just let it be - don't make things worse than they already are - and let the police deal with any follow-up trouble from the deceased guys family and friends.
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That's called intimidation. But you could be right, leaving it is better than getting beaten up or your house torched. But it is still intimidation. Ah, those mugs who pay rates and behave eh? What are they like?
Bunkermagnet
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I can only see this escalating if those laying the flowers dont stop their laying and veiled threats. There are quite a few traveller fixed sites not far from this location, just as there is an estate just up the road known as being a little "interesting" where those who did Stephen Lawrence come from, and where S Lawrence was murdered.
I can easily see many "sarf londoners" seeking retribution on those who are hounding a pensioner.
I can easily see many "sarf londoners" seeking retribution on those who are hounding a pensioner.
Imurg
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I'm amazed this is still going on.
The only thing that should have happened from the start is the "shrine" gets removed.
Simple!es.
If the family tries to replace it - arrest them
If they threaten residents - arrest them
If they don't stop - arrest them again and lock them up for a month.
I don't get how anyone can think anything else.....
The only thing that should have happened from the start is the "shrine" gets removed.
Simple!es.
If the family tries to replace it - arrest them
If they threaten residents - arrest them
If they don't stop - arrest them again and lock them up for a month.
I don't get how anyone can think anything else.....
spongebob59
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Problem is the police are percieved as generally not doing anything if they have to deal with travellers.
Bunkermagnet
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Probably because they scream persecution all the time and civil liberties infringements.
spongebob59
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Bunkermagnet
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All you want is for the announcer at the next Milwall home game, to say the old guy was a Milwall fan or season ticket holder.
SocketRocket
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These Travelers are an ethnic minority and shouldn't be persecuted for their cultural identities. We have a duty to provide them with sites to live in where they have access to humane services where they can pursue their special cultural lifestyles, like paying no taxes, providing pensioners with lightweight tarmac drives, extortionately expensive bodged home repairs and burglary.
chrisd
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And stealing a vibrating roller and trailer from my yard one evening a few years back.
